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Wiley my friend -
That must have been a terrible experience. I hope you no longer suffer from this. Thanks for the visit, my friend.
posted by
sannhet
on October 17, 2007 at 3:21 AM
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R.I.S. -
Thanks for reading.
posted by
sannhet
on October 17, 2007 at 3:20 AM
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OTA -
Thanks! And thanks for the visit.
posted by
sannhet
on October 17, 2007 at 3:20 AM
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Taps -
Thanks for stopping by and reading.
posted by
sannhet
on October 17, 2007 at 3:19 AM
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Gome -
You certainly are correct in that statement. It does call other "experiences" into question. Thanks for the visit.
posted by
sannhet
on October 17, 2007 at 3:19 AM
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DM -
I'm out on that same limb with you. I'm a firm believer in levels of spiritual awareness and what one can "see" and not "see". Thanks for the visit.
posted by
sannhet
on October 17, 2007 at 3:18 AM
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SB -
God is an experiential event. It's unfortunate that so many don't understand this. Thanks for reading.
posted by
sannhet
on October 17, 2007 at 3:12 AM
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Sannhet
I have suffered from temporal lobe epilepsy and did have some strange psychological experiences so I found this post especially engaging my friend....
posted by
WileyJohn
on October 15, 2007 at 12:03 PM
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Hey Gome, I'm a little late in following up here. I wanted to add something that I don't believe I have ever expressly stated on Blogit. A number of "enlightened beings", "God realized beings", people who are alleged to see to a deeper level of reality than we ordinary humans see, state basically what I put in my comment to Sannhet. Here's the interesting point, some people say that these "enlightened" people are "atheists" because they don't believe in God. 
These guys have millions of followers / worshippers / devotees but, they say (indirectly and implicitly and perhaps sometimes explicitly) that there is no "God" separate and apart from humanity and all of creation. I'm thinking in particular of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj who said: "Why do you say that I am an atheist? I perform bhajans (Hindu devotional singing) twice a day." You notice, he didn't deny being an "atheist" in the conventional sense - he taught that there is no independent entity who is "God" - that if you want to find "God" you need to find him within your own self - something similar to when Jesus said: "the kingdom of God is inside of you" or, perhaps paraphrasing, "There is no God outside of yourself." (Please don't let them crucify me for that one, Gome. Jesus said it, not Moon.) Anyway, this does not respond to the point that you made but, I just wanted to point out that a lot of the "holiest" people on the planet are, in fact, (in terms of definition) "atheists." LOLOLOLOLOLOL Moon 
posted by
magic_moon
on October 15, 2007 at 10:06 AM
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sannhet
posted by
richinstore
on October 15, 2007 at 12:05 AM
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Dark_Moon -then there are those who go beyond that point in their reasoning
Those that realize the sea of energy is inanimate, without conscience, will or reason. Yet somehow we have these things.
posted by
gomedome
on October 14, 2007 at 7:38 PM
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Very interesting post ~Peace, OTA
posted by
Blue_feathers
on October 14, 2007 at 4:18 PM
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Interesting post, Sannet
posted by
TAPS.
on October 14, 2007 at 3:43 PM
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I’ll go out on a limb here Sannhet, so someone can come along and saw it off. Some of what I say may not appear directly related to subject matter of your post. I hope I am not too far out in left field. Everything depends upon your perspective; upon the level, the angle from which you are viewing ‘reality’. Enlightened beings say that there is no world, there are no phenomena, there is no diversity. In the words of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, “There is no person.” (no individual) Subquantum physicists say that if you look at reality from the subquantum level, there are no objects: there is only a sea of energy – just energy, vibrations, nothing else. What we see, what we perceive, how we structure reality – really, we create it all. We impose our beliefs upon the sea of the energy and viola, “reality” appears. The enlightened beings don’t see “God”; the subquantum physicists don’t see “God” – they both see the sea of energy. Where they depart is that the enlightened beings say that the sea of energy IS God, or more precisely that the sea of energy is the reflection of God. Moon
posted by
magic_moon
on October 14, 2007 at 3:16 PM
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sannhet - I actually agree with this:
"...this interaction neither proves or refutes the existence of God"
What I feel it does prove is that a great number of experiences that have been presented to us as religious experiences may have another explanation. Nor is this type of research limited to religious experience.
posted by
gomedome
on October 14, 2007 at 2:37 PM
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Gome -
I've got no qualms with everything being entirely derived from the human mind. It is my believ that everything - everything - is derived from interactions with the human mind. Our experiences, our perceptions of this world, our perceptions of this reality, are a direct result of how our mind interacts with the energies it comes into contact with. For me, this interaction neither proves or refutes the existence of God.
posted by
sannhet
on October 14, 2007 at 2:14 PM
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sannhet - the key to this phenomena is the ability to produce the effect
in a clinical setting upon demand.
Laurentian University professor Michael Persinger, a leader in this field, has produced some consistent results leading to dramatic conclusions. The experience commonly referred to as a "sensed presence" can not only be artificially induced by the use of electro-magnetic energy, the results are strikingly similar amongst all participants. Not one person in all of the years of testing has ever sensed the presence of a religious entity other than of their own faith. Further, some of the subjects, (about 15%) hallucinate and literally see images of the entities who's presence they are sensing. Not so surprisingly these images are exclusively those of central icons of their faith. These realities produce two inescapable conclusions.
Because the experience of sensed presence can be artificially induced and electro-magnetic energy in quantities enough to affect the human brain is produced naturally from a multitude of sources: it is fair to say it is possible that all sensed presence experiences are the result of elevated electro-magnetic energy affecting the human brain. It is also fair to say that when this experience manifests itself as an image or a central icon of a certain religion, that the subject must have a prior knowledge of this image or icon. Therefore by extending this premise logically, the experience is induced by stimulation and the parameters of the experience are defined by the individual's prior knowledge, making all such experiences entirely derived from the human mind . . God had nothing to do with it.
posted by
gomedome
on October 14, 2007 at 1:45 PM
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Sannhet
Very interesting! God and spirituality is basically a 'dive in' and see type of experience. Those who do not do this are in no position to describe the view, or the veracity of the experience. I like the conclusion.... there is a part of the brain that is spiritually responsive.
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 14, 2007 at 12:15 PM
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