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Re: Re: Lustor
Auditory heaven does not exist! Only friends will support you!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 8:05 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Lustor
just because its you and sometimes you say nice things to me

posted by Lanetay on October 11, 2007 at 6:54 PM | link to this | reply

AandB
Yes! This takes away from the consistency of the messages. Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 4:53 PM | link to this | reply

Robert
Thanks for dropping by. I must say though, that I don't see being fanatic as a good thing, in any field!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 4:51 PM | link to this | reply

The different versions tell  slightly different stories.

posted by A-and-B on October 11, 2007 at 3:42 PM | link to this | reply

As a saying says: You can bring a horse to the water but you cannot make it drink. This is true in everything we do. Similarly, in religion, you can make a person join a religion but you cannot make him into a true believer - a fanatic so to say. There are too many erosive factors that contribute to it.

posted by RobertMadang on October 11, 2007 at 2:40 PM | link to this | reply

strat
Pretty honest comment. I feel that God is there for everyone, it is us who are not cognizant of that. To purify ourselves is a basic first step towards listening to that small still voice. Good action, a clean head, righteous conduct etc..... usually has its rewards! Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 1:59 PM | link to this | reply

FYS
It is your life, you owe nobody any doing or not- doing. If you feel that you want to pursue truth or spiritual evolution, use your understanding and discernment to forge your way ahead, according to your best judgement and information. From Yoga, I only extracted the most valuable tips, useful to me. Only some have been presented here. I will not allow an organization, book or Guru to determine the course of my spirituality, not when there is guidance from within available. Trying to perceive guidance, is a worthwhile venture! Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 1:54 PM | link to this | reply

Interesting stuff, here! Well written!
Personally, I don't spend a lot of time worrying about God. He either is or isn't. If he is, then he's got better things to do than worry about where I'm spending my Sunday mornings. If he isn't, then I'm just hedging bets in a great cosmic game of BlackJack.

This means to me that religion is but a man made organization that, while engaged in the business of trying to do good in the world, is nonetheless corrupted with man-made agenda. That means, at least to me, that it's far more important to live by example than by formula.

posted by strat on October 11, 2007 at 1:02 PM | link to this | reply

Re: FYS
Then I guess I'll go get me a book about Yoga, pick and choose the things I feel like doing and just blow off those that I don't, and then when the philosophy doesn't work for me, just I'll blame the philosophy.

posted by FineYoungSinger on October 11, 2007 at 12:50 PM | link to this | reply

Trooshal
Yep! To not to grow and be stuck in the static, must be a nightmare for many. Discovering things anew from time to time, is forward movement. The material world keeps dragging me down and back with the same old story of survival. What a sad state of things! Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 12:17 PM | link to this | reply

Soul

Although I was raised with the bible (not rammed down my throat but the “stories” told mostly from a morality and ethical perspective) I have long since set it aside and find my spirituality in other ways. It is an on going journey and I wouldn't want to miss any part of it.

posted by Troosha on October 11, 2007 at 11:44 AM | link to this | reply

FYS
It is a democracy we live in. People do have that basic right to question and choose what they want in their lives, or what they stand for. They breathe for themselves and die for themselves. This right pervades all of their seeking. The most one can do is beg to differ. To say they misunderstand, must be accompanied by the evidence. One's personal relationship with God is usually at the non-physical level, and thus not subject to public scrutiny. If the experiencer does not relate his experience, no-one will know! Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 9:53 AM | link to this | reply

The biggest problem in all religions, philosophies and spiritual practices

is how INDIVIDUALS that practice their religion pick and choose what they want to accept, learn, practice and propagate.  Because people will rarely humble themselves enough to allow God to show himself to them, they misunderstand.

There is no religion, philosophy or spiritual practice that is free of this problem, including yours, soul.

posted by FineYoungSinger on October 11, 2007 at 8:31 AM | link to this | reply

AmMused
Glad you enjoyed it! I hope my posts have tips that help you. Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 7:18 AM | link to this | reply

Mariaki
Thanks! I can't say more than I have evidence for. Guess I will have to wait till I come across that version I glimpsed at in 1991!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 7:16 AM | link to this | reply

.Dave
Hi! Hope you appreciated my effort! Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 7:06 AM | link to this | reply

Afzal..
Yeah, it is true in my life! I have to check inside the unpopular versions! I learnt that lesson!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 7:04 AM | link to this | reply

Lustor
At least you tried! Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 7:02 AM | link to this | reply

Katzs
You are right, it is always a personal growth towards God. Intermediaries, if they advise and set you free, can be useful. When they put limits so you must depend on them, you have to extricate yourself..... and ask, 'what is going on'?

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 7:01 AM | link to this | reply

Krisles
My early spirituality was just unattached, then Catholicism taught me, then certain aspects of Hinduism. I read widely and embraced helpful tips from a wide variety of sources. Morality is the basis of religion. How to live a life, is what it is about! Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 6:57 AM | link to this | reply

richinstore
Thanks Rich, hope I have some goodies down the line!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 11, 2007 at 6:51 AM | link to this | reply

In my case, you are preaching to the converted!  LOL  I enjoyed reading this.  AmMused.

posted by AmMused on October 11, 2007 at 5:10 AM | link to this | reply

In the order of things, I am a relative newcomer to self help, spirituality
and the like and I have to say out of all the hype out there and mentoring and teachers - the only thing I truly understand is the Bible!  Everything is explained here if you know how to look for it.  Excellent post, thank you

posted by mariaki on October 11, 2007 at 3:29 AM | link to this | reply

posted by _dave_says_ack_ on October 11, 2007 at 2:58 AM | link to this | reply

I agree with your last line ! Good post !

posted by afzal50 on October 10, 2007 at 10:28 PM | link to this | reply

soulbuilder101
I found intersting parts in this but I couldnt get through it. But you know me, more than I know maybe

posted by Lanetay on October 10, 2007 at 10:02 PM | link to this | reply

Religious institutions, be it Christianity or others, are managed by human beings. They all have their agendas, some good, some bad. At the end of the day, the guiding philosophy is 'whatever one does, it is strictly between him and God'. There are times that I feel like leaving the church because of the hyprocrisy practised by clergy but then, I have to think it is not for me to judge or to condemn. What they did is between God and them. For me, I just have to carry on and let it be between God and Me. You feel better this way rather than getting all stressed up.katzs

posted by katzs on October 10, 2007 at 9:38 PM | link to this | reply

Soul
The Bible is one of the most fascinating creations in all of literature....when I was in college, a literature course I was taking used the Bible for much of the semester....it contains so many elements that it is.....taken purely as a written work.....a course all by itself in poetry, prose, screenwriting, epic-novel-short story,etc., etc......it is, whether you believe it to be devinely inspired or not, still the work of men, many of them....and it is a translation, with all the problems inherent in that.....AND YET, it remains the most powerful collection of written words ever created.  The reason, I believe, is because the spirit of the words rings true to the hearts of most.....i.e., it is an incredible compilation of common sense and wisdom on how to live a life of worthiness and "worthwhileness".....

posted by Krisles on October 10, 2007 at 8:49 PM | link to this | reply

soul
Being an Anglo-Chinese, I need to read alot about Christianity. Thanks for sharing.

posted by richinstore on October 10, 2007 at 8:26 PM | link to this | reply

Callista
You are learning very quickly.... most of it discovered by you! Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 10, 2007 at 7:48 PM | link to this | reply

Still studying the first paragraph, and particularly the word mundane.

I, you can rest assured will also study the other 4 paragraphs, i like to chew my food well before i digest it, keeping what i get nourishment from and i pass the rest. Just so you know i get alot of nurishment from your words.

you are so right about the mundane, a mere (mirror) window dressing to keep our attention from what is inside.  It takes me awhile to discern the things you talk about, like game playing. I play games at times and for all different kinds of reasons. (one of my favorites is to advoid conflict.) (another is to plant a seed.) and i am sure i have many that i am not fully aware of.  I often slide into the mundane just to pass time, how awful is that.

I tend to get stuck as you can see all over one word that leads to another and another, i guess we all learn differently.  

posted by callista22001 on October 10, 2007 at 7:44 PM | link to this | reply

Gepruitt
You are free to do so. It is all in the spirit of edification. Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 10, 2007 at 7:21 PM | link to this | reply

Soul
An excellent post! Mind if I point others to it?

posted by GEPRUITT on October 10, 2007 at 7:19 PM | link to this | reply

True Spirituality Vs Organizational Christianity

interesting thoughts.

I always thoght that the Bible was a nice how to guide , take one supream being , the creator .  He gives us his only son that we kill ie: suffering, loss, selfishness, a life is not fair guide. bad thing do and will happen, and we should bond to one another to see all thing thru. And Know that in the end the crator is keeping score.

posted by KetilWorld on October 10, 2007 at 5:54 PM | link to this | reply

Mystic, Antonio, onebetty
Thank you guys/gals for your words of appreciation. I had to do this post one paragraph at a time, to cheat the bugs.  I have just finished, and it is 5 paragraphs long. You can finish reading it, if you so desire. Thanks again!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on October 10, 2007 at 2:40 PM | link to this | reply

Well said!

posted by Antonionioni on October 10, 2007 at 2:20 PM | link to this | reply

Soul Builder
Very astute assessment

posted by OneBetty on October 10, 2007 at 2:19 PM | link to this | reply

True Spirituality
Thanx Soul Builder - interesting thoughts .... & thanx also for your frequent comments on my blog....

posted by Mystic_traveller on October 10, 2007 at 1:37 PM | link to this | reply