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You guys are missing the point about Atheists sacrificing humans...
Atheists sacrifice humans, not because they believe in a higher power, but because it is a way to get rid of believing humans while scaring all the others. Besides, a guy has got to have a bit of fun. I should know, because I am...
posted by
arGee
on September 3, 2007 at 7:45 AM
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sannhet - as Sunnybeach7 posed in an earlier comment
"To whom would they sacrifice them?" which sort of puts the question of the fictitious human sacrifices to rest doesn't it? They would not be atheists if they believed that there was a higher power of any type that would be the recipient of such an offering.
posted by
gomedome
on September 2, 2007 at 5:54 PM
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Gome -
I thought "all" athiests sacrifice humans to Satan. You mean they don't?
posted by
sannhet
on September 2, 2007 at 1:55 PM
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arGee - isn't that the truth - - - there is nothing in this world more
pitiful than an ignorant person who cannot fathom their own ignorance.
I find myself embarrassed by my own misstatements as well and I wish I could say I was speaking hypothetically but that would be a little bit of a yarn. . . . okay a whopper. I have found however, that fessing up and acknowledging the mistake, although creating a curious flushing sensation and red coloring to the cheeks, is a far more efficient use of one's time than continuing the attempt to defend the indefensible.
posted by
gomedome
on September 2, 2007 at 12:49 PM
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saul_relative - thank you - the idea for this post came from something
that happens with alarming frequency on this site.
Misquotes, misunderstood implications or misreading intended sentiment are all going to happen in a public forum comprised of amateur writers. It is the attempt to get it right and the development of good habits and fair practices that are important. Equally as important is the acknowledgement that if someone is misquoted or mistated that they have the right to ask for at least a correction. When all of the aspects you mention in your comment are rolled into the mix within the context of "religious discussion" good habits and fair practices sometimes seem not to matter. There are most definitely some folks that need to read that pesky little commandment number 9
posted by
gomedome
on September 2, 2007 at 12:41 PM
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In order to be embarrassed about something one said, Gome...
One needs to be sufficiently knowledgeable about the subject to recognize an embarrassing situation in the first place. I find myself amused at some people's ignorance, but never embarrassed, whereas from time to time I find myself embarrassed by my own misstatements (speaking hypothetically, of course
).
posted by
arGee
on September 2, 2007 at 12:35 PM
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Sunnybeach7 - no kidding, who would an atheist make a human sacrifice to?
You hit on the very aspect of discussing religion that I regularly use to my advantage. Having been indoctrinated into a Christian religion when I was young, I am somewhat conversant with Christian beliefs. I've also studied the beliefs of others to a minor degree, enough I would say to give me a bit of a generalized overview if nothing else. The vast majority of those who come to this blog know nothing but their own specific version of Christianity. They speak of all other religions and beliefs from a position of embarrassing ignorance and yet not only do they not realize their own pathetic lack of knowledge, they can find all of the reaffirmation they need in the legions of other like minded people who are just as ignorant. Then they have the utter gaul to suggest that they are "seeking truth".
posted by
gomedome
on September 2, 2007 at 12:21 PM
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ariel70 - now, now . . we had better not depict fictitious gatherings
Where Christians are being thrown into bondfires as human sacrifices because you know how they love that sort of thing. It will be incorporated into their persecution propaganda as quickly as you can say Bob's your uncle. Besides, there is a much better way to deal with them. Build a trebuchet and fire them one by one into the next county......
posted by
gomedome
on September 2, 2007 at 11:59 AM
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Gome
One of the things about some with very limited beliefs (notice the placement of the word "some" there, lol), is that they truly don't understand what consists of the beliefs of others.
In my opinion, if you are going to attack someone for their beliefs, or lack of...you should at least understand what those beliefs, consist of....researching this info for yourself, rather than listening to the truth of what your best bud may have told you.
Assuming that athiests would sacrifice humans, is just laughable to me. To whom would they sacrifice them?
It's not surprising to me though, since they assume these same things about Pagans, quite usually assuming that Pagan=Satanist.
I'm not sure which is more insulting, having someone compare you to a Satanist, or the very fact that likely they don't even understand the beliefs of a Satanist either. Go figure. 
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on September 2, 2007 at 11:52 AM
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spinner - not being too smart was my first impression of you
This tells me that sometimes first impressions nail it . . .
"lets simplyfie it kiss my mother @#$$%^^&& . ass" . . . the conversation is over now. (just in case you aren't swift enough to pick that up)
posted by
gomedome
on September 2, 2007 at 11:32 AM
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Gomedome
Tut, tut! 'borne'of course, not 'bore'
Reading all these religious rants does cause one's English to deteriorate to an alarming degree!
posted by
ariel70
on September 2, 2007 at 9:47 AM
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An excellent post, gomedome. I agree that far too many people qualify
themselves as the true judges of everything, adjudicating whatever they can through the twisted morality of religious ideology. It never occurs to them that a person of another religion, an agnostic, or an atheist could possibly be as moral as they. Being wrong or mistaken is not an option. And "arsehole" works, if you can't find anything stronger. This Christian fabricator should take up his ten commandments, read them, and try to fathom the intricacies of Commandment #9:
Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour. Paraphrasing or quoting out of context to attack another fits nicely into bearing false witness. Got any ketchup?
posted by
saul_relative
on September 2, 2007 at 9:43 AM
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Gomedome
Despite your attempts at attending incognito, or " impetigo" as our head gardener at Mon Blogue calls it, I recognised you beyond peradventure at our recent Faith Outreach Initiative with the Satanists, Atheists and Yazidis at MOn Blogue.
There was no mistaking that roguish twinkle iof your eyes in the holes of your mask, lit luridly by the light of our massive bonfire.
My word, how those Christians did go on, when we consigned them to the flames! One would have imagined that their beliefs would have endowed them with a little more fortitude than they evinced, and that they would have gritted their teeth and bore the agony with at least a degree of fortitude.
Still, one is all too familiar with the decline in the strength of religious belief in recent decades, so it was hardly surprising that we were denied such dignified martyrdoms as those of St Ursula or St Agatha. Altho; having one's breasts ripped off with giant pincers is hardly a dignified way to go, is it?
It was such a pity, one thought, that the fire was too fierce and the flesh badly overcooked. In fact, next time I am invited to such an event, and it's accompanying barbecue, I shall decline.
Much as one detests such abominations as the Big Mac ( with fries ) one much prefers it to an overcooked Christian -- with or without ketchup.
posted by
ariel70
on September 2, 2007 at 9:36 AM
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spinner
lets simplyfie it kiss my mother @#$$%^^&& . ass
posted by
spinner
on September 2, 2007 at 12:44 AM
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spinner - you are yet again taking the conversation down the wrong avenue
The very fact that you have visited my blog as often as you admit to illustrates that you do in fact care where I stand.
posted by
gomedome
on September 1, 2007 at 6:34 PM
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spinner
bingo, you got it, becaouse I siply don't care where you stand. although it would not please me to see harm come to you or any one else. That is the point I was trying to get across
posted by
spinner
on September 1, 2007 at 5:32 PM
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spinner -so you are saying that in your second last sentence, the one you
begin like this: "You are in the middle of the track . . . " . . . you meant to begin that sentence with something to the effect of: "To them you are in the middle of the track . . . "
posted by
gomedome
on September 1, 2007 at 5:13 PM
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spinner
You read me wrong I am not putting you in the middle. I am simply saying that most religious fanatics will, and that make you a target from both sides. I like reading your blogs no matter if I agree or disagree. And by the way I don't give a rats ass how you fell about me, just as you could give two shits about how I may or may not feel about you.
posted by
spinner
on September 1, 2007 at 4:04 PM
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spinner - I fear that you have missed the point entirely
Ultimately I don't really care what you believe or what a shining example of Christianity you claim to be. Those are meaningless words to me. Nor do I care if you are able to carry your end of dialogue but I will ask you to examine your first comment again and ask yourself one question.
How many people in your circle of friends have established their association with you by telling you that what you believe is invalid? Or am I misunderstanding the implied sentiment when someone tells me that I am straddling the tracks between good and evil waiting to inevitably be run over by a train? . . . I doubt that I am misunderstanding what you intended to say.
I'd be willing to bet that the answer to the first question is zero.
posted by
gomedome
on September 1, 2007 at 2:53 PM
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I know what it's like to be misquoted
But remember, we are both tools of Satan's and so believers can go and twist anything and everything we say because in their righteousness they somehow gain the ability to lie and justify it. It matters not if they show integrity and such, they are too righteous to have to worry about such things.
Unless we are talking about certain mentally challenged bloggers who seem to get phrases such as "attempt to trick me into believing in God" and "attempt to trick me into admitting that I believe in God" confused. But I hold a strong belief that said blogger doesn't use English, but instead communicates in a very odd language I have named Oddyish, where somehow such misquotes are not misquotes.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 1, 2007 at 2:42 PM
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spinner
I do not intend to jerk your chain or hurt you in any way. I may be a peckerhead from time to time but its all in good fun. I believe in my faith. I am no holy roller by no means. I am not a shinning example of a christian. say the word and I,ll be gone.
posted by
spinner
on September 1, 2007 at 2:09 PM
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spinner
I hear u loud and clear I love you man please be my friend
posted by
spinner
on September 1, 2007 at 1:53 PM
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Are you listening, Spinner?
posted by
arGee
on September 1, 2007 at 11:15 AM
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arGee - too funny, you completely cracked me up by about the 3rd line
After having a good laugh, there is a sad part about your parody however, in that it is not that far removed from some of the rebuttal comments we see from time to time around here.
posted by
gomedome
on September 1, 2007 at 10:57 AM
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A-and-B - that is exactly what it is
posted by
gomedome
on September 1, 2007 at 10:48 AM
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spinner - I feel badly for you if you can identify with someone who is
incapable of progressive thought.
Then I realize that my pity for you is not unfounded when you elaborate on your "us versus them" religiously derived mentality. I agree that there are some people in this world who do have a black and white perspective when it comes to religious belief, the antagonist I describe in this post was one of those people. But fortunately, and despite that fact that you utilize no qualifiers in your comment, people that think this way do not represent all people with religious beliefs, only "some" of them. The ones that have clearly lost sight of their underlying religious message and may have never grasped the philosophies of their central icon Jesus Christ in the first place. Do you think that Jesus ever said "listen pardner, you're either with us or agin us"
You may not enjoy being an object of pity, I really don't care if you do or not. To suggest that someone is "neutral" in the context that you use it between good and evil is insulting to anyone who can understand the implications. Though I'm not sure if you are capable of seeing this yourself. Typically, as a believer you claim the high road or all that is "good" in life while delegating all that is bad or "evil" in life to non believers or those of unlike mind in their beliefs. And let me add that "evil" is just a word, an adjective, it does not have life or consciousness as you imply with phrases such as this "Evil will always . . ."
Then you sign off with: "your friend, spinner" . . . we are hardly friends, you may or may not qualify to be a friend of mine, I don't know at this juncture. I will say however that not one person that I consider a friend is blinded by religious beliefs to a degree that they could author some of the sentiments that you have in your last comment.
posted by
gomedome
on September 1, 2007 at 10:39 AM
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Why would anybody, Gome...
Be "...astounded [that] feeble liars...use...the English language...." My goodness, it's practically the universal language of the world. It seems obvious to me, therefore, that even "feeble liars" will – more often than not – do their lying in English, even though it is feeble.
Really good liars, on the other hand, usually speak French, unless they are atheists or Satanists, because as you yourself have written, they "Care for...ketchup..." and everyone knows that you can't get ketchup in France.
Based upon my analysis of this entire situation, however, it's clear to me that since you feel so forceful about feeble liars, and you clearly care for ketchup, it's pretty obvious that you have been involved with human sacrifice from time to time.
As an afterthought, why would you possibly want to "...delete...the copyright holder..." because "...he's an idiot..."? You ask "...what can I say?" Why don't you simply appologize to all the French speaking bloggers here for confusing them with Satanists, when all they really want is to see what ketchup actually tastes like.
posted by
arGee
on September 1, 2007 at 7:23 AM
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Good post. It is about the battle of the egos.
posted by
A-and-B
on September 1, 2007 at 4:50 AM
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spinner
gomedome. I understand where he is coming from whomever he / she is, forgive me I am not throwing stones. I do not believe that you would hurt someone on purpose, and I do not know what this person stated, but there is more than one way to put a dagger in a man's heart in the eyes of a religious person. In the eyes of a religious person, you are on one side of the track or the other, be it good or bad. There is no neutral. Where you are, for example, I believe you are neutral believing in only what can be proven. Well in the believers eyes being on the good side of the track regardless of how you feel, by your words no matter if you intend them to be evil, neutral, or bad, they are tools of one side or the other, tools of sacrifice. Evil will always, in a believers eyes, try to find a way to discredit good and vice versa. You are in the middle of the track and you will more than likely be the first to get hit by the train. your friend, spinner
posted by
spinner
on September 1, 2007 at 12:28 AM
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