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COrbin

YOu are more of an invalidator than I thought. You insert yourself into my experience.... which  of course is stupid! Good bye!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 31, 2007 at 7:32 PM | link to this | reply

Corbin

Keep it up!

posted by Justi on August 31, 2007 at 11:15 AM | link to this | reply

Soul builder 101

You and I have nothing else to talk about. I have no reason to invalidate anyone. May you continue your free life as you choose.

posted by Justi on August 31, 2007 at 11:14 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Corbin

SB 101......

I take busloads of Christians to  "villages" all over the country.....they're church groups on tour buses.......perhaps you should have googled that first???

posted by Corbin_Dallas on August 31, 2007 at 7:29 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Soul Builder 101

Sorry Justi, I think it is you trying to invalidate me. I go by truth. You are not willing to explore my clues, and certainly, I will not investigate yours. Henry does not mix matters. As for his research, I give him a thumbs up. If in your 'coralled' existence you seek freedom, my suggestion is that your corral is your problem. I am a free soul!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 31, 2007 at 1:11 AM | link to this | reply

Soul Builder 101

The new knowledge is: I have stated over and over and you are blinded by your own self value; I don't care whether you agree with me. I want you to be honest. You are making an attempt to invalidate me. It is not possible because your agreement is totally irrelevant. I just could not understand anyone not wanting something to be joyous about. But that is not related to you that is my thought. You are putting far more importance on your value or my value than is there or anyone else. I accept your points of view as yours and mine as mine it is that simple!

posted by Justi on August 30, 2007 at 9:56 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Soul Builder 101

Sorry, you cannot railroad me into anything. I live very simply, my details neither add nor detract from my writing. You have not really read Henry. Henry writes about feminism and family issues. But his greater research is done on topics like the bankers, the secret societies, history, Zionists etc. You didn't research but you want me to agree with you. I am sorry. I already have a point of view that can only be changed by new knowledge. That is why I research daily!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 30, 2007 at 7:05 PM | link to this | reply

Soul Builder 101

You have taken this totally off the track of where I am going. Henry Makow, phD is about sociatial issues. I am talking about conversion under force. Are you hiding behind a curtain of nothing? There is no about me page. Writers who do not mind backing their comments usually add an 'about me' page.

posted by Justi on August 30, 2007 at 1:30 PM | link to this | reply

Justi

The torah Jews are my friends, the talmudic jews are not. Henry Makow is a jew whose views I share. See www.savethemales.ca.

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 30, 2007 at 10:01 AM | link to this | reply

Corbin

Thank you for your answers here. I can not offer solutions to those who do not want to see.

posted by Justi on August 30, 2007 at 10:01 AM | link to this | reply

Corbin

The number of entries gives you an idea of how un-unique the idea represented,'proselytising religions', is. The actual 'proof' is secured by looking at those entries. In my case, research was supported by actual experience..... where bus loads of enthusiastic Christians would descend on villages to tell you that you were a sinner!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 30, 2007 at 9:57 AM | link to this | reply

Soul Builder 101

That is a very sad statement: God says I will bless all those who bless you and curse all who curse you. You being the Jews. God put those people on the earth to go through more persecution than any group in the world for our example and He wants them protected. I can assure you the Zionists are not the problem I am sorry for you Soul Builder I don't have any answers that will please you. I have not made any statements to hurt or anger you but I do hope you change your mind.

posted by Justi on August 30, 2007 at 9:55 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: Soul Builder

Well, there's a pertinent source...the number of google pages???   I believe you should modify your search and look for  forced conversions..........

posted by Corbin_Dallas on August 30, 2007 at 8:52 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Soul Builder 101

I don't care bout Israel. The Torah Jews, John Kaminski and Henry Makow (all Jews) are my brothers and they feel the same way. I cannot join a hate war like this. The Zionists have got to be stopped!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 30, 2007 at 12:28 AM | link to this | reply

Soul Builder 101

Dear person, you have failed to see my point. I am not trying to attach Islam but to let people know if you feel hassled by Christians, tell them to leave you alone. With Islam it does no good to tell them to leave you alone. Violence is their game if they decide you have walked over their sacred ground or they want you to convert or die. They want Israel to convert of die the truth is they want them to all die. That needs to be seen. To show that can not be constrewed as attack it is to run hide or somebody please stop these suicide bombers.

posted by Justi on August 29, 2007 at 11:43 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Soul Builder

I frankly, fail to see your point. If you want to attack Islam ,fine. But I will tell you this much, there is no religion that seeks conversion of 'heathens' like Christianity. GOOGLe has 109,000 entries on PROSELYTISING RELIGIONS and Christianity right up there. Islam is too.

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2007 at 7:38 PM | link to this | reply

Offy

I am so glad you clearified that for me. He sure likes to pile it on me and turn me in and copy me and do all sorts of things because I don't agree with him. People do not have to agree to live in peace. Thanks for the comment.

posted by Justi on August 29, 2007 at 7:00 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Xeno-X

Justi...I'll tell you why I think he chooses to confront you ....He honestly believes his own horse crap and that's what it is...plain old horse crap. The man seeks his pleasure in dishin out crap.

posted by Offy on August 29, 2007 at 5:31 PM | link to this | reply

Corbin

I fear so many do not believe they would be the "evil" according to Islam and life would be so outrageously different if we allow them to get a hold in our government only as citizens in this country you can forget separation of church and state.....

posted by Justi on August 29, 2007 at 5:27 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: Xeno-X - - That's quite right Justi

I've asked you this before....never getting an answer...when is the last time a group of Christians beheaded someone?  Performed involuntary female circumcision?  Stoned a woman for being raped? 

Your defense of Islam is amazing...the fact is, your life would be a hell of alot more, shall we say, uncomfortable, under Islamic rule.......You'd quickly experience being "imposed upon" to the tenth power compared to your horrible experiences with Christians......

On second thought....probably not, you're type would be one of the first growing your beard, and working up calluses on your knees from your newly acquired 5 times a day recitations.....

People of your ilk were the Vichy of France, the Tories of Colonial America,  the informant class of the Soviet Union..........a lot of noise when feeling safe, a low melting point when truly threatened......

posted by Corbin_Dallas on August 29, 2007 at 5:23 PM | link to this | reply

Xeno-X

That is simply untrue. My great great grandparents, my great grandparents, my grandparents, my parents and I went to school with prayer in school. It was not forced it was natural. We do not mind if you prayed to your god in school. We mind if you stop us from praying in school. The problem here is you are using the government to remove prayer from school. That is mixing state and religion. Other religions are acceptable only ours is not.

You are making a confused statement. If we are nice about inviting people to convert if they choose, how can that be the criteria for your next sentence of forcing. People have taken the Christian Religion around the world but there have been no converts at gunpoint that I am aware of. I have been working in charities and evangelizing for years I have never seen force, difference in treatment for giving and serving those who accept and those who do no. I do not have the right to say a Christian is better or worse than another religion. I am saying from the actions, overt behavior one would have to be totally blind to think there is not something incredibly evil about people just bombing a building at random killing people because they are mad at someone. There has to be something terribly wrong with anyone who will decide who is evil and strap bombs to an individual and go into a market and kill children, adults at random to do harm! Anyone who does not see that simply does not want to see that and wants to be confrontational. Go ahead and say what you choose. I know the truth and I do believe you do as well. Why you choose to confront me on things you know are true I don't know but go for it if it makes you feel some sort of superiority.

posted by Justi on August 29, 2007 at 3:15 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Xeno-X - - That's quite right Justi

Christians have seldom been the martyrs.  They impose their will quite nicely on others.  They have done it in the past and they do it today.  They are trying to mold this country in their own image, forcing such things as prayer in schools and public religious displays on those who disagree with them.

They enter a land and force the inhabitants to convert.  From the Americas to the Phillipines to Africa to Pacific Islands.  They see other religions as anathema and their adherents as infidels, just as do many Moslems.

posted by Xeno-x on August 29, 2007 at 2:05 PM | link to this | reply

Ariala

I agree totally. When a government takes away the rights of a religion to what they have always done just because they say we are to separate church and state then they are using a state office to impose a religious law. I don't want a government of a religion no matter what it is. I don't want a government to take away my normal Christian faith habits and allow another religion the right to replace it. That has happened in many places in our country.

posted by Justi on August 29, 2007 at 12:56 PM | link to this | reply

I'm a Christian, but I will say that ANY RELIGION USING POLITICAL OFFICE

TO ADVANCE ITS CASE IS DANGEROUS! PERIOD.  Every single religion thinks itself right and that justifies what they do...let's keep religion OUT of politics and then maybe we can have rational discussions that don't lead to beheading each other.

posted by Ariala on August 29, 2007 at 11:39 AM | link to this | reply

Islam is much more of a geopolitical movement.....

Than a religion........it pushes for theocratic rule....rule by Islamic law.....and submission of non-believers to that rule......

posted by Corbin_Dallas on August 29, 2007 at 11:33 AM | link to this | reply

A Politician can be a religious person

A religion can not and has not the right to demand another country or faith be wiped out because they are not of the faith of the government. Iran is calling for the extinction of both Israel and the US. That has nothing to do with the True God.

posted by Justi on August 29, 2007 at 9:41 AM | link to this | reply

Soul Builder

The Crusades have nothing to do with Fundamental or Protestant Religion. This accusation comes from not knowing that the individual Christians did not have the Bible at that time, it was not allowed to be in their hands. It was kept from Christians by the Catholic church. You and all people truly need to know the truth of the history of Christianity. I am speaking for my faith is simple, not any one's word except the Holy Bible and the teachings therein.

posted by Justi on August 29, 2007 at 9:39 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Soul Builder 101

The Crusades and the Inquisition, not to mention the mass conversions by the conquistadores ..... to much evil has been done in the name of religion. Politicians have used religion for their own purposes. Of course, the Moors also invaded Southern Europe spreading their religion and way of life. God takes care of good people. The Devil don't and he is very busy now. I don't worry about religion anymore. I don't think people in any country are free. Thank the politicians for that!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2007 at 9:34 AM | link to this | reply

The intertwining of religion with politics has what made it pseudo,Justi

You write this with great emotion and I do tend to agree with you. Religion and Politics are not strange bedfellows anymore. In fact, most of the times it was not. Each has an investment in making you cringe so that they can dominate and carry on with their phoney business.

posted by Bhaskar.ing on August 29, 2007 at 9:14 AM | link to this | reply

Soul Builder 101

You need to study any country that is an Islamic Government and see if they have freedom. Look at the realities.

posted by Justi on August 29, 2007 at 9:03 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Soul Builder 101

I want freedom too. I will search far and wide for Tips which help this purpose! But I will retain those I already have!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 29, 2007 at 8:55 AM | link to this | reply

Xeno-X

I see that your comment was addressed to Corbin Dallas and me. You do not get it Xeno-X, you just proved my point. You said for 2,000 years Christians have not practiced their own religion as prescribed. THAT IS THE POINT. IT IS BETWEEN EACH AND GOD! YOU WILL NEVER FIND A PERSON STRAPPED WITH A BOMB KILLING INDISCRIMINETLY TO GET TO HEAVEL WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU BELIEVE. WE DO DESPERATELY CARE THAT YOU NOT KILL PEOPLE FOR NOT PRACTICING ANY RELIGION TO THE LETTER.

posted by Justi on August 29, 2007 at 8:50 AM | link to this | reply

Soul Builder 101

All these creeds of yours are your right. They are not what I believe but it is not my right to impose any creed or rules on you, religiously. Christianity may not be a religion you choose but it is one of freedom for the non-believer when he/she does not stop our belief practices.

posted by Justi on August 29, 2007 at 8:45 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Justi..... by Corbin Dallas

then how come the Jews enjoyed privileged status in Spain under Islam, but enjoyed the pleasures of the Inquisition under Christian Ferdinand and Isabella?

Major Christian churches (Holy Sepulchre, Nativity) have existed for centuries under Moslem rule.  Islam holds Christ as very special, believes in his virgin birth.

But it's all right.

You seem to want a war -- Islam is so evil -- you and Geo. Bush and a lot of crazies out there -- ready to engage in war for the righteous cause of a Jewish Temple so that the Beast can overthrow the Jews and virtually annihilate them so that Christ can return.

Christians basically exploit Jews for their own expectations.

And, Justi, somehow you aren't reading your Old Testament.  It reads very much like the Koran, with its punishment for crime, etc., its "crusade" against Gentiles, espousal of extermination.

And of course there is Christianity.  The teachings of Jesus and the writings of the Apostle Paul give us the highest of standards.  Yet for 2,000 years, Christianity has never adhered to those standards.

Better the enemy that I do know than the one I do not.  Better an honest religion where you understand the basics than one that touts its basics and yet is the most hypocritical in the world.

Jesus gave us a parable about the servants -- he gave them a task.  One said he wouldn't do it, and then did it anyway.  One said "Yes, master, I will do it."  then he didn't do it.  It seems Moslems in general are this first servant -- there may be passages in the Koran that espouse certain acts; yet the overwhelming majority of Moslems act peacefully; while Christians, on the other hand, are like the second servant, in that their mouths espouse the teachings of Jesus, but their actions seldom have.

posted by Xeno-x on August 29, 2007 at 8:20 AM | link to this | reply

Justi

I had good muslim friends  before. If  people believe in Islam or Ra but are good people, I don't care how they got there. Religious fanaticism has caused too much suffering from the time of the crusades to now. Cultish followings do not interest me because God has no religion. I take the Tips on Living and apply them, no matter what the source! I do not care to be one of the flock. Being me takes all my time. This is my take on things!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 28, 2007 at 10:14 PM | link to this | reply

Corbin

Thank you for that clarity. I cannot understand a religion who decides what religion all must be.

posted by Justi on August 28, 2007 at 6:17 PM | link to this | reply

Justi.....

Islam is not here to destroy and annihilate non-believers but it is here to convert them to a better life not by using and exercising wrongful means but by engaging in wise discussions and debate without defaming anyone.

This must be a reference to a watered down version of Islam.....certainly not representative of almost all of the Islamic countries in the world.........

Author Robert Spencer tells us that Islamic law mandated second-class status for Jews, Christians and othe non-muslims in Islamic societies....convert....you mean convert or be subjected to Islamic status as a "Dhimma"  which means both protected and guilty in arabic.  "Protected" because we are people of the book....we have received genuine revelations from God/Allah........and thus get a different status from who are regarded as out and out pagans and idolators.........like Hindus and Buddhists.

 But, we are "guilty" because we have not only rejected Muhammad as a prophet but also have distorted the revelations we were given by God/Allah.  This status exist today in Islamic  theocratic countries in the Middle East......

The reality is that Islamic theocracies carry things to the extreme.....Perhaps the author of the words you quote could tell us how we can take a Bible into Saudi Arabia???   Or wear a Cross or Star of David there?

How about a comparison of the words of Jesus with the Koran.....which sounds more like wise non defaming discussions

 

posted by Corbin_Dallas on August 28, 2007 at 6:03 PM | link to this | reply