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I wasn't going to say anything except that I like your new template (and I
do agree that the wallpaper distracts a bit).
After reading this discussion I finally said to myself: "Thank goodness we have laws, or this world would be a total chaos!" (now I'm not even going to question the "morality" of who makes those laws because I beleive - excuse my cliché here - that it's a dirty job but somebody has to do it).
There has to be some "common" order or rules, in a world where everyone has different moral values, different points of views and different life experiences, it would be impossible to "judge" someone fairly, let alone agree on who's view is the most "moraly correct".
Now may I make it clear that I'm not giving my opinion here about Mary in particular ... because I just don't find myself in a position to do so. I do believe laws shouldn't be broken and who does must pay, but I continue to read Mary's posts.
I believe the reason I do this is simple ... it just didn't effect ME that much! So am I really being compassionate or is it just because I wasn't hurt by the events - therefore I can easily forgive?
I don't even need to go to the extreme example that Enigmatic mentioned - to me it could be less than murder - I know that if my boyfriend betrayed my trust the way some bloggers say Mary did - I wouldn't forgive him!!!! But maybe some of you would. I believe it not only depends on morals and compassion but also on the cause-effect.
What I'm saying here is that people know the laws and know that they have consequences. Everyone has the right to a second chance but also too much forgiveness sometimes gives more permission to continue do to what's wrong!
Now, I'm a bit lost here allready...so if you actually understood what I was trying to say than congratulations because I'm allready confused!!!!! 
posted by
Sheilah
on August 26, 2007 at 12:33 PM
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DM and Enigmatic
This seems to be a popular issue, and if I get time later I may make a new post on my thoughts and beliefs on this.
I'm not going to go on with it here, as I feel it really doesn't have much to do with what I had posted here, and yes Enigmatic, I know that you had said that it was a different subject.
However, what I will say right now is that if everyone has the right to judge, and we seeked punishment for everything people did, from commiting murder to giving someone the evil eye...where would it all end?
As for my life, and seeking punishment for the wrongs of others. I feel that if anything had been different in my life, I wouldn't have learned what I needed to learn. I wouldn't be the person I am today, and I like who I am and who I have become.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 26, 2007 at 6:37 AM
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Sunny...
I had a comment for your post, but forgot it after reading through the comments. I have to say that I agree with en. If something happened to me or more specifically my daughter, I would not be happy to let it slide. I know for a fact that I would feel a million times better seeing that person brought to justice and I would fight for it. People don't learn unless there is a consequence for their action. Without consequence they carry upon the same path and do it over and over again.
posted by
dark_mistress_again
on August 26, 2007 at 1:38 AM
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Sunny
Well, if something happened to a close relative/friend of mine - I'd want justice (punishment), since, being an agnostic, I don't know if there's an afterlife - we definitely have different views - I don't think murderers/rapists, etc..., deserve respect - a serial killer (and his defense attorney) would loooooove to have you (and people like you) on their jury. You don't seem to believe people should face consequences for their actions - since you're a mom - I find that attitude/philosophy, EXTREMELY disturbing...
By the way - how do you know (as in absolutely no doubt), that you would not have lived a different life, had the perpetrator been punished?
Passionate, sensitive human beings, tend to get upset about certain things - referring to your "upset," comment - apathetic people (people who don't really care), tend not to get upset...
Personally, I don't think you're apathetic, and I believe you're a good mom - I just don't think that you understand some of the potential consequences - of your philosophy of life.
posted by
Enigmatic68
on August 26, 2007 at 1:17 AM
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Enigmatic
The thing with my child was looked into by the police department. A case was started, then dropped.
What good would it do for me to be upset by these instances?
Would it change things?
Would I have lived a different life had the perpetrator been punished? No.
I don't believe in a God as a "being" as I have stated, so I don't believe in hell or enernal punishment.
I have a very different view of life and death, that respects everyone.
And before you ask... No, it is not in my beliefs that these people will be punished after death.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 26, 2007 at 12:41 AM
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Sunny
1) So, are you happy that these monsters weren't judged and punished, because you believe only God has the authority to do that?
2) If the person who had harmed you or your child, had been arrested, but got off on a technicality - say the arresting officer failed to read him his Miranda rights - might you then, be paying a visit, or paying someone else to visit, that criminals house? Hmmm. 
posted by
Enigmatic68
on August 26, 2007 at 12:28 AM
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Enigmatic
Uh...maybe I'm just tired, but I don't think I'm getting your point, or perhaps I just see things differently?
Truth be known...something horrible happened to "me" as a child, and something almost equally as bad has happened to one of my children.
And no...the criminals were not judged and punished.
However, if I was seeking revenge and wanted to punish someone, I would seek help from the proper authorities...I wouldn't stand outside the criminal's house and stop people in the street and tell them that a criminal lives here, and especially not if they have already heard about it on the news.
Ahhhh...I think I may have stumbled upon your point? You...though an outsider, would be appaled if something happened to one of my children...so what you are saying, is...people can have strong emotions on issues even when they don't directly involve them???
Come to think of it...I'm not even close, am I? :o|
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 26, 2007 at 12:15 AM
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Re: Enigmatic - You take drugs for your illness, why do you judge me?
The fact that I take drugs for my illnesses is, of course, a complete non sequitur. People judge each other all the time - including me - sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly - that's life - get used to it. I don't hate you. The end.
posted by
Enigmatic68
on August 26, 2007 at 12:10 AM
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Enigmatic - You take drugs for your illness, why do you judge me?
I have always loved you, always will. Why do you hate me so?
posted by
FoliageGold
on August 25, 2007 at 11:54 PM
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Sunny
Let's take this situation to a much bigger level - even if you see it, as "getting off track." No sarcasm intended - but if someone really wants to follow the "let him who is without sin...," or "glass houses" philosophy - then we should truly not have judges or juries - 'cause they're not perfect (nobody is) - so who are they to judge, blah, blah, blah...But you know what? If (God forbid) something horrible happened to one of your children, by a criminal - I think you'd want that person judged and punished severly! And I'd be 100% on your side! Execute the evil bastard! And yes, I do realize that plagiarism is not nearly as serious as murdering a child, but do you see my point - even remotely?
posted by
Enigmatic68
on August 25, 2007 at 11:51 PM
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Sunny - Love you, too. Shhhhhhhhh, lest Afzal be upset.
posted by
FoliageGold
on August 25, 2007 at 11:19 PM
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Mary
What a lovely graphic! Oh, are you 39 already?
Good night! I have to be going to bed. I told Afzal I was going there. Shhhhh
I love you, sweet lady!
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 25, 2007 at 11:17 PM
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Sunny - Well, okay baby. I'm staying 39 for the rest of my life.
posted by
FoliageGold
on August 25, 2007 at 11:10 PM
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Mary
Haha, yeah, that was me.
Mary, yep...we'll make some plans to get together. I'm going to be 16.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 25, 2007 at 11:05 PM
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Sunny - Gosh, I do remember that. That was you? I remember the
feeling in my heart sinking that you were so grieved. Gosh, who knew? I was only days into Blogit then. Sunny, I love you, you know that. I don't know American copyright, but in Canada, copyright stays with the writer, always. The moment pen inks paper. As to the rest going on in here, we've talked about it. People are human. We are all in our various stages of being human, you, Afzal, me, everyone. If I'm banned from Blogit, please know there was one person of whom tried to do the 'right' thing. My heart as decrepit as it is. You will have known a bonefide alcoholic and witnessed the insanity that goes along with the disease. I will not stop writing on it now that I understand. Nor will I stop righting the wrongs of AA here in Cornwall. Our group is sick. Our birthdays are coming up, how shall we celebrate? I would like to be in MD to celebrate mine, can I drop in on you on the way down to see the Chaplain and JM?
posted by
FoliageGold
on August 25, 2007 at 10:48 PM
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Enigmatic
I was responding to your question/comment about this being a plea for sympathy.
It was not that, it was simply my view of a person I have come to know over time.
I guess I got tired of seeing posts and comments that don't see her as a person, but an object.
Things seem to be really getting out of hand here. It's stated in the Blogit rules that we are not to defame anyone by using their name in a blog with a negative message. Yet, I see a lot of that happening here. And not just with Mary.
In my mind, it's hypocritical to commit one crime while condeming another.
If someone has issues with how blogit handles things, a post isn't going to solve anything. Only direct contact with blogit will...if they so chose to do so.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 25, 2007 at 10:36 PM
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Sunny
I understand - and that's all I'm doing, as well.
posted by
Enigmatic68
on August 25, 2007 at 9:39 PM
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Enigmatic
Yes, I recall you mentioning something along that line.
In my title it says it is my opinion...that's what this is. There are others here expressing their opinions on this matter, and this is mine. My thoughts, my feelings, about a person.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 25, 2007 at 8:37 PM
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Afzal
Thanks, love.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 25, 2007 at 8:33 PM
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Julia
Your rights are not "fully" protected without registering the copyright...
One example...
Why do I need to file a copyright application? You might be asking yourself, all right, so you say that copyrights do not require a formal copyright application. So why should I bother? The primary reason is your ability to leverage someone who has ripped off your site. If you have filed a copyright application within 90 days after first publication or prior to any infringement, you are eligible to elect statutory damages and receive attorney fees from the infringing party. If not, you will be limited to receiving your actual damages. Statutory damages can be awarded even if your actual damages are minimal. Statutory damages can run as high as $25,000.00 and $100,000.00 if the infringement was willful. When combined with an attorney fee award, this gives you strong ammunition against a potentially infringing party. But you need to make a timely copyright application in order to secure these rights.
More @ http://www.weblawresources.com/copyright_art.htm
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 25, 2007 at 8:32 PM
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well, you're dead wrong about the copyright law
Originally, the Copyright Law required a copyright notice to protect works. The law changed in 1978 and abolished the requirement for copyright notice. Every published work (paper or online) automatically gets copyright protection from the get-go, whether expressed with a notice or not. If you doubt me, a simple google search will illuminate it for you.
As for your other points, I feel compelled to explain the difference between compassion/forgiveness, and holding someone accountable for their actions. I forgave Mary straight off for the plagiarism, and as you may remember, I even asked others to do so. However, just because I forgave her and do indeed have compassion for her, doesn't mean that I feel there shouldn't be consequences for plagiarism. YOU may not think of Blogit as a writing site, but it has always been promoted that way and it IS a community of writers (or in some cases, wanna-bes). No one said everyone had to be "professional" writers to be here. That would be highly unrealistic, wouldn't it? That you choose to use Blogit primarily for socializing does not negate it being a writer's community.
posted by
Julia.
on August 25, 2007 at 7:23 PM
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I think you are the wisest blogger . Excellent post !
posted by
afzal50
on August 25, 2007 at 6:53 PM
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Sunny
I can't remember if I told you this, or not - but I have close friends/relatives, dealing with psychological and/or alcohol/drug problems. But as you pointed out, Mary's back to number one on Blogit - obviously, most of her readers have been very forgiving - so I don't really understand (what seems to me, like) - a plea for sympathy, on Mary's behalf...she seems to be getting plenty of it - and I'm not saying that's bad...
posted by
Enigmatic68
on August 25, 2007 at 6:44 PM
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Re: you make a lot of good points but...
I had thought so too, though a lot of people said they liked it.
I will change the layout soon. Thanks! :o)
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 25, 2007 at 3:47 PM
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you make a lot of good points but...
could you drop the wallpaper from your background as it makes it hard to read your work.
posted by
wannarideher
on August 25, 2007 at 3:35 PM
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