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Thank you, a good logical reply and would make sense if I had not of
been foolishly unaware. It has been said that love is blind. A painful lesson to learn but it has also been said that all wounds heal over time.

posted by roadscross on August 20, 2007 at 7:00 PM | link to this | reply

chyrlann
It would seem to me that the hurt would be greater with the passage of time. If it does not work, or the feelings are not mutual, get it over with before there is heartache

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 20, 2007 at 11:15 AM | link to this | reply

Interesting Mr. Knight,

I know you're not Dear Heartache, and you may not care to have your posts elaborated on (as long as we're here to comment, aye?) but some of us have (sh*tloads), if you will, to say about certain things presented.

I wrote a post recently regarding withholding truth and intend on adding two more scenerios that required withholding truth and the repercussions thereof;

A gentleman told me not so long ago, in regards to the pitfalls of dating, "The most difficult part of dating is not my fear of falling in love or being rejected but rather when a woman falls for me and I don't feel the same. Of course it would be great if I did feel the same, but I haven't. It is horribly painful for me to hurt someone." unquote. I agreed and still agree. I have never feared rejection, but then again, I've never chosen any man. I have only been chosen and needy, therefore 'settled.' (In my youth)

This was the first man I chose from my heart, need free, but I withheld telling him that I was in love with him because he never expressed any love toward me or rejected me. I felt his indecision was based upon his fear of hurting me. 

Learning to love unconditionally means you may withhold truth in order to protect someone you love, or you could TRUST that they would be strong enough to handle the truth.  

So our relationship remained platonic for a year, until I could no longer wait for a rejection or reciprocation. I had to forgo the fear of hurting him so I told him I was in love with him, but not to feel badly for me, but I knew it was time for me to move on.  It was really hard to tell in our final conversation if he was just relieved (I) it was over or if he actually loathed me, so this is an exceptional example of the repercussion of withholding truth (on both ends). You don't gain love or respect and you can even lose a potential friendship!

posted by roadscross on August 19, 2007 at 10:37 PM | link to this | reply

So very hard to come by anymore...nice post!

posted by teddypoet_TheGoodByeFade on August 15, 2007 at 6:48 PM | link to this | reply

 Well said ~ Peace

posted by Blue_feathers on August 15, 2007 at 10:28 AM | link to this | reply

RaeS
Thanks!!

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 15, 2007 at 8:43 AM | link to this | reply

Hmm, thought provoking post, Battered Knight..
I think you're correct...Honesty is the manner in which we communicate the truth; so if our conveyances are untainted by spin, manipulation and/or avoidance, truth is unveiled clear and whole - my reaction..:) Great post!

posted by Katray2 on August 15, 2007 at 8:38 AM | link to this | reply

MiaElla
Honesty is the best policy!

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 15, 2007 at 8:28 AM | link to this | reply

taps
I would agree  with that

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 15, 2007 at 8:27 AM | link to this | reply

callista
It is explained here in this post as well as in the comments

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 15, 2007 at 8:27 AM | link to this | reply

I resort to honesty
Even if it means someone getting hurt...or making myself look bad. I tend not to do anything in life that I can't be honest about. It's a refreshing way to live.

posted by MiaElla on August 15, 2007 at 7:44 AM | link to this | reply

Battered_Knight

Truth is empirical, demonstrable fact.   Honesty is about feelings.

posted by TAPS. on August 15, 2007 at 6:45 AM | link to this | reply

explain to me why truth and honesty are not synonymous,
i think they are.

posted by jeansaw on August 15, 2007 at 5:32 AM | link to this | reply

proc

It is very good fabric. I will answer with a couple of cliche's

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and some things are better left unsaid

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 11:10 PM | link to this | reply

Yup...makes sense to me~

posted by Offy on August 14, 2007 at 11:09 PM | link to this | reply

Battered Knight,I like your old-fashioned values because that's the cloth
Im cut from too.  I read the origin of your name .  It made me smile.  I too believe in doing things for no reason except that theres a need and Im able to fulfill it.  As for your question theres also such a thing as too much truth.  An inconfident friend is not helped if you tell them that their appearance leaves alot to be desired. That no matter what they wear they will never look beautiful....

posted by proc on August 14, 2007 at 11:07 PM | link to this | reply

Saul
Very true! Which goes to show that the two are not synonymous

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 9:45 PM | link to this | reply

soul builder
LOL. I suppose that we all are in some form or another

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 9:44 PM | link to this | reply

Julia
It is kind of like being a little bit pregnant. You either are or you are not. You are welcome M'Lady

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 9:43 PM | link to this | reply

Truth is about perspective; honesty is a state...

posted by saul_relative on August 14, 2007 at 9:42 PM | link to this | reply

gavelkorbald
My post was not to defend a position but rather to provoke thought. In the future, I will become more descriptive.

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 9:42 PM | link to this | reply

lustorlove
So lies then are acceptable. or perhaps necessary

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 9:41 PM | link to this | reply

Telemachus
A very good definition

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 9:40 PM | link to this | reply

battered knight
I am battered, too!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on August 14, 2007 at 9:35 PM | link to this | reply

yes, it is a little hard to be "sort of" honest--
you either are, or you're not. By the way, thanks for answering my question about your blogging nickname.

posted by Julia. on August 14, 2007 at 9:33 PM | link to this | reply

The truth hurts....
As they say, honesty is the best pollecy(cant spell tonight)...though I remember far to many times that truth and honesty have gotten me into a considerable amount of trouble. I continue to be as honest and truthfull as I can...it follows in my own codes as a warrior. Actions speak louder than words....lies do not become us. You should add more detail to your work...how do you feel about truth and honesty aside from karma...sometimes karma takes along time to find its way where its needed. :) A very good post!

posted by gavelkorbald on August 14, 2007 at 8:34 PM | link to this | reply

batteredknight
if someone is hiding something and want to keep from hurting someone they tell a white lie to protect that person, a lie out of love

posted by Lanetay on August 14, 2007 at 7:41 PM | link to this | reply

For me, “truth” is a revelation or a previously discovered and established
fact, while “honesty” is ones willingness to be open and forthcoming with others.   

posted by telemachus on August 14, 2007 at 7:32 PM | link to this | reply

interesting.....welcome!

posted by ladyofshalott on August 14, 2007 at 6:42 PM | link to this | reply

foliagegold
It is alright, so long as it did not make your brain hurt!

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 6:33 PM | link to this | reply

wiley
And the truth shall set you free!

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 6:32 PM | link to this | reply

Battered_Knight - I'm just being silly this evening. Really, I am very
tired and your post made me stop and try to think.  Didn't work so well. 

posted by FoliageGold on August 14, 2007 at 6:32 PM | link to this | reply

foliagegold
Now, why in the world would you think that?

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 6:28 PM | link to this | reply

Battered_Knight - Ha, ha! Are you messing with me? I'm so tired tonight.
 

posted by FoliageGold on August 14, 2007 at 6:27 PM | link to this | reply

foliagegold
 

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 6:26 PM | link to this | reply

Battered_Knight - Okay on that. I was thinking in terms of universal
truths........... 

posted by FoliageGold on August 14, 2007 at 6:21 PM | link to this | reply

Battered_Knight

A good read, and I can relate to that, full truth is all there is.

"Truth crushed to earth shall rise again." Bryant

posted by WileyJohn on August 14, 2007 at 6:21 PM | link to this | reply

foliagegold
That would be the whole truth and nothing but the truth, or complete honesty

posted by Tattered_Knight on August 14, 2007 at 6:18 PM | link to this | reply

Battered_Knight - I'm going to have to think on this one a bit.
  I understand you're meaning.  But to me a truth is a truth and doesn't change..... 

posted by FoliageGold on August 14, 2007 at 6:16 PM | link to this | reply

I agree !

posted by afzal50 on August 14, 2007 at 6:08 PM | link to this | reply

So true!

posted by Afzal_Sunny7 on August 14, 2007 at 6:02 PM | link to this | reply