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Kiddo
Thanks for the comment.
Good to see you're back.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 17, 2007 at 6:17 AM
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Damn it Oddy
You don't get it. You don't even try to get it. You are so caught up in your little fantasy world that you end up so clueless.
The concept of God is an INSULT to all of Humanity, not just myself.
I live and display all those virtues everyday of my life. If what you said was at the end here was true, then we would have no problem,. The true problem is that instead of respecting my beliefs and understanding who I am, you come along and insult me at every turn. The problem with God is the concept insults the human spirit and suggests that everything about our lives are meaningless.
If you don't get this, then we will never be able to get along. I don't wish to have anything in common with you, because you show you lack those virtues yourself. I have seen no signs of integrity, honor, respect or honesty from you. You come here and instead of being respectful and trying to understand my views, you try to force your own on me and tell me my life and whole existence of humanity is meaningless because all that is good has to come from you stupid, moronic concept of God.
I have already told you that belief in God left me empty and with no direction. Once I realized that there was no belief in God, my life had meaning and I was able to find direction. Why the hell would I ever wish to believe in God after that? Why would I not find it offensive when someone tries to tell me that I need to destroy all that I am and give up all the good that is my life?
I really wish I knew how to speak Oddyish, because I am sure my words must have a different meaning to them in your personal language, because you clearly do not understand a word I say.
Also, could you try to just for once stay on topic and address the post itself? Go and try to prove to me that I am wrong. Instead of insulting me and trying to turn me into the empty, shell of a man you seem to think is a good thing, you might just try a real debate by looking at what I said and trying to give some intelligent correspondence that used facts and logic to show me why you feel your beliefs are hold water.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 17, 2007 at 6:16 AM
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And so, if this commentary is true, why should this debate continue?
If you are indeed capable of manifesting and elevating the qualities of honesty, integrity, honor, respect, loyalty, hard work, caring father, good husband, good friend, etc., etc., then why not just concentrate on these things? I mean, why should it bother you that they emanate from God if you truly cherish and harbor them anyway? But if, on the contrary, you hold to the delusion that you are somehow responsible for inventing morality and are constantly patting yourself on the back for displaying it sometimes, you are way off base.
Much of the problems in the world come about because people want to argue about what God is or what God is not. They give God all sorts of different names and perform all sorts of different rituals and harbor all sorts of different doctrines. All of this argument is a waste of energy, when people could instead be concentrating upon and mutually uplifting the WAY in which God chooses to communicate to us, which is through the moral inspirations of the conscience. This is how God manifests unto us and is thus, truly, the most fundamental, direct and natural way to experience God.
And so, if you truly possess these things, these qualities of honesty, integrity, honor, respect, loyalty, hard work, caring father, good husband, good friend, etc., then display them because if you do, we have very little left to argue about and would instead have much in common.
posted by
telemachus
on June 17, 2007 at 4:47 AM
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kooka_lives - I used the term "nuances of definition" in the past to
describe the simularities in experiences that are common to both believers and non believers.
It is an undeniable reality that some things a believer may chalk up to the existence of a God, a non believer will experience as well. Things such as pride, honour and the intuition to know what is right and what is wrong. Some folks however want to claim these universal human qualities as their preserve and as being inspired solely by their God, even though they are incapable of exempliying these qualities themselves.
Honesty, integrity and the quest to be and do better are the soundest of foundations from which to define a personal life guiding philosophy from. If a belief in anything is dishonest what would be the point?
posted by
gomedome
on June 16, 2007 at 11:29 PM
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Hello there stranger! I really missed your posts, and this one was a great
one to begin reading again. I understand what you are saying. First, let me remind everyone that I do believe in God, although I honestly can't give you any logical reasons why. Maybe for insurance purposes for my afterlife.....JK. I believe in God because I want so much for there to be some greater power that gives me something to hang on to faith wise. But I have to admit, especially here lately, I am really stretching my logical senses. But I still do, for one reason mainly. The belief in God does hold some weak souls together. It gives them a reason to become better than they were, and in my eyes a potential nut saved from hurting others because he "found God"....well good for em. I do have a strong faith in God, though. For myself.
BUT, I do agree with what you are saying. It goes for me in some ways too. If God doesn't swoop down and save little ones from torture, why should he get the credit for a non-believer doing better than well, and being more of a father than those who claim to be Christians? Prayer works for those who luck up and get what they wanted, but unanswered prayers are chalked up to "it wasn't God's will" or "They may not come when we think they should"...hell...that goes for me throwing a penny in a well!
Your a good husband, a great father...you own that all on your own.
posted by
Kiddo75
on June 16, 2007 at 9:35 PM
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Oddy
You just could not do it, could you? You had to insult me by once more trying to use your concept of God because you have to be right.
You just do not get it. Are you that clueless? There is no God, no higher power that did this or is the influence behind it all. To believe such is to completely and totally diminish what is important in life and turn all our values not nothing. In order for those values to have true value, they have to be part of an understanding of one's place in the universe and the concept of God, any concept of God, destroys that fully. If God or a higher power is needed to get people to do 'good' and be 'moral' then we are nothing and everything about us is meaningless. We become less than the sum of our parts then and I respect myself and life in general too much to believe such foolishness.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 16, 2007 at 8:12 PM
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Wow Kooka, this is great.
And I love all of this quite honest moral outpouring. A good, caring father, husband and friend. A hard worker who values earning his way. Upholding integrity, honesty, respect, and loyalty! And your contention is that you find these things within yourself and that also is wonderful. Do you not recognize that these things emanate from your conscience mind and that similar things emanate in my conscience mind and in the minds of other good and righteous people all across the world? Do you think these things are unique unto you? What we call God is the structure for these similarities that clearly exists in you and others and which forms a mutual power of goodness all about the world. And when you truly gain the vision of this structure you will immediately be captivated to increase its power about the earth, not only in yourself, but in others as well. What a wonderful and glorious day this has been.
posted by
telemachus
on June 16, 2007 at 7:26 PM
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