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Acording to you all Christians will go to heaven because of their clean sheet?
posted by
adventurer02
on July 10, 2015 at 12:24 AM
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Re: Soterios - you've lost me here
There is something about the condition of Holiness which people misunderstand.
The condition not only requires that the person abstains from negative activities which affect the spirit, but also understands how negative attacks on the spirit resulting from negative activities in the past are undone. The process results in the unbinding of the spirit and ultimately results in a spirit that emerges into the light (heaven). The revelation of heaven and Christ ultimately occurs within the person. The process is the same regardless of your religeon, since we all decend from the same place and must go back there once we have perished physically. All men are made in this same way.
If your spirit is in it's clean, risen, holy (whole), pure, perfected, integrated state, then you could compare it to a clean light bulb. However if you paint the bulb with successive layers of black paint, the light from the bulb eventually dims and after a while the light goes out.
The bulb is extinguished and you experience death.
Sanctification is the process wich engages your spiritual enemies, leading to a liberated spirit. This results in your 'cup' being clean in the inside, end result outer cleanliness and therefore body in perfect health. Salvation is the final result.
The word holy coming from the Saxon "ha-lig" explains a property or an attribute of light.
In other words holiness is simply wholeness of light, or an integrated state, while a darkening of the spirit is caused by a corruption lack of integration.
This is also implied by circumcision, which is a 'snipping off' of that which causes the spirit to be darkened. It's all related to something that takes place in the spirit, not in the body.
Although everything I say sounds like bullshit, the scripture takes into account the difference between carnal man (man who has not yet recognised his spirit, as it is in a state of dormancy within the body) &
Spiritual man (man who with the onset of a daily prayer life experiences the explosion of his spirit into upward activity) This manifestst itself in the dream life.
"The man without the spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them becasue they are spiritually discerned." (1 cor 14)
If you think that i am crazy or mad, then that's just the way it's supposed to be. I am not expecting that you beleive a thing, but I challenge you to begin with the prayer on my [age and see what develops at night.
posted by
Soterios
on June 5, 2007 at 9:39 AM
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Whysper - making stuff up is what religion is all about
The repenting one's sins and asking for forgiveness is a pretty good deal when you think about it. Even if it doesn't make any sense. Mother Theresa gets the same afterlife sentence as a death row murderer by this logic. I figure when I catch the big bus to blogger heaven I'm going to become a Hindu, they have the best deal of all, you get to come back, albeit someone else makes the decision on what you come back as.
posted by
gomedome
on June 5, 2007 at 6:45 AM
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Soterios - you've lost me here
If you would be so kind, could you define what you mean by "spiritual integrity"?
posted by
gomedome
on June 5, 2007 at 6:40 AM
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Get into Heaven Free card
I prefer to refer to Christianity as the safety valve religion. Screw the different denominations and go straight to the source, the handy dandy bible. Technically speaking all you have to do is repent your sins and ask for forgiveness and accept JC as your saviour. Remember to do this before you die(even if it's ten seconds before).
For the rest, all you have to do is live the good life, do more good than evil and you're in even if you're foolish enough to do the above. Which ends up meaning, you don't have to be a member of any religion, until you die of course.
So that's the answer. Whysper knows all, stop by and ask me any question and I will answer it(or make some shit up if I feel like it).
posted by
Whysper
on June 5, 2007 at 5:31 AM
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Just a load of pie
Heaven is a just a piece of pie in the sky for when you die.
Perhaps...or perhaps not, depending on what you are looking for.
If you seek not, ye find not. If this is not your mission, then it's obvious that it's not for you.
The secrets of acension have been entrusted to those who's lifes purpose depends on them attaining spiritual integrity.
Not everyone is meant to taste the heavenly gift, but when the path is
one of pain and suffering why would anyone want to?
posted by
Soterios
on June 5, 2007 at 4:03 AM
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strat - that is a classic
I pulled up at a stop light the other day behind a motorcycle. The rider's T-shirt said: "If you can read this, the bitch fell off" . . . that too is destined to become a classic.
posted by
gomedome
on June 4, 2007 at 10:39 AM
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OTA. -I feel the notion of religious belief and the hope of attaining entry
to the pearly gates through those beliefs misses one glaring point.
If there is a set of criteria for eternal bliss in the afterlife it must be universal in nature. This criteria cannot exclude anyone, either historically, geographically or pertaining to their religious denomination. Nor can it exclude those who do not believe in a supreme being or those who worship multiple or malevolent dieties. Thinking along these lines we can only draw one conclusion, the performance of good deeds in conjunction with using the "slate system" as a plus minus tally influences the individual's sense of self worth to a point where the euphoric feeling derived from benevolence is in fact heaven.
posted by
gomedome
on June 4, 2007 at 10:36 AM
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I just passed a car on the road earlier with a classic bumper sticker:
"Lord, save me from your followers."
posted by
strat
on June 4, 2007 at 10:22 AM
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Gomedome
The slate of good deeds may be an archaic thought.. however.. I have come to believe that heaven is not a place you get to go to.. it is a place where you are... or you are not.
Peace 
posted by
Blue_feathers
on June 4, 2007 at 10:08 AM
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Pat_B - how the heck did I miss that?
It's changed now - - thanx.
posted by
gomedome
on June 4, 2007 at 9:53 AM
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mysteria - happy to be of service
posted by
gomedome
on June 4, 2007 at 9:52 AM
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LoL Pat_B
Good One :)
posted by
mysteria
on June 4, 2007 at 9:43 AM
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"last rights" -- I bet you meant last rites.
rite as in ritual. Ritual as in dogma. Dogma as in darn me. Darn me as in I've got too many negative points, and I'm gonna have to do it all again. If I'm gonna do it again, I want to come back as a dolphin.
posted by
Pat_B
on June 4, 2007 at 9:36 AM
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Gome...HaHa!!! Mumble some gibberish! You cracked me up with that!
Laughing is my favorite thing... Thanks
posted by
mysteria
on June 4, 2007 at 9:32 AM
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