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Nautikos
I've read this one before too. Its hard to find one of yours that I haven't read.
posted by
TAPS.
on August 15, 2007 at 9:03 PM
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Interesting Naut
Let me just point out to the person that commented that translations of Koran are regarded as not "kosher" that this is for a good reason. the Koran is in an old form of classical Arabic, and even arabs have difficulty understanding all that is mentioned in it. even in its time it introduced new words, new terms and is considered a reference in issues of grammar and syntax. the books that attempt to explain Koran are merely interpretations since Arabic is way too complicated to allow a straightforward understanding of some verses, so any translation will not take into consideration the full nuances or synonyms that a particular word has. As for Arabic being the only conduit to Islam, it is just not true since in Prophet Mohammed Farewell speech he says that there is no advantage for an Arab over a foreigner (Ajami) except by his good work and fear of God. Langauge was not an issue then, it is not an issue now, I do believe though That Arabic is a beautiful langauge in its own right with a rich legacy of poetry and prose that covers all human emotions. To introduce Arabic for the mere purpose of converting the "infidels" is stupid, if you want to introduce it to schools do it for the right reasons: to allow students to appreciate the culture, and understand the mentality of Arabs as well as Muslims (since the two are not the same) without a middleman. it would have been a more noble endeavor and more constructive.
posted by
lindo
on May 19, 2007 at 8:00 AM
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Re: I love a letter of condescension, Nautikos. The oh-so-enlightened
saul, them's my sentiments exactly!
posted by
Nautikos
on May 8, 2007 at 10:59 AM
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I love a letter of condescension, Nautikos. The oh-so-enlightened
ALIF are going to fill the void left from our societal decay with quotations from the Koran and the blessings of sharia. Thank you, ALIF, but I think I'll go to hell my own way...
posted by
saul_relative
on May 7, 2007 at 9:47 PM
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Good afternoon Corbin,
Yep, I am, and I just popped in briefly to make sure everyone else is! I'm busy as hell, but will be dropping in again tonight!
posted by
Nautikos
on April 27, 2007 at 9:46 AM
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Naut......
Good Morning....Hope you're still kicking!
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on April 27, 2007 at 6:38 AM
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Naut
Yikes! D*mn those Yankees! lol Thanks so much. What inning? I'm awful, I know. But, I love my boys! --Joy!Mary
posted by
FoliageGold
on April 26, 2007 at 7:49 PM
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Foilage
Yeah, I've heard about Tupelo, you've told me about it. So I'll wait for you to get articulate on the weekend. And the score is TO 6, NY zip!
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 7:42 PM
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Naut
You know about Tupelo? I was just writing on it today........ Yes, if you don't mind, I do have a lot of questions. On the weekend, I'll articulate. In the meantime, do you know the score of the Yankee/TO game? --Joy!Mary
posted by
FoliageGold
on April 26, 2007 at 7:14 PM
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Wiley
I know you're not into the sauce, but are you on the whacky baccy tonight?
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 7:12 PM
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Foliage,
I'd rather eat my honey, honey! I guess we're gonna have an interesting discussion...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 7:11 PM
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Nauti
Hey, if religion is the opiate of the people or something like that, how come all the mussies and catlicks aren't in the slam for doing drugs eh? How come teach?
posted by
WileyJohn
on April 26, 2007 at 6:49 PM
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Naut - Young Man!
Bite your propolis! lol Seriously, I've taken notes and will ask many questions. Hope I don't drive you insane. There's just so much that I just don't know. --Joy!Mary
posted by
FoliageGold
on April 26, 2007 at 5:47 PM
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Foliage
Thanks. Anytime you want to discuss specific issues, just ask, and I'll try to provide an answer. Meanwhile, start thinking of what colour you would prefer for your Burka...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 5:43 PM
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Naut
Language and culture, indeed. I just find all this so fascinating. I'm still reading your series and I find I have to do a lot of thinking about what you've written. Please don't think I've forgotten because I haven't. Not for one minute. Well, okay maybe one....... --Joy!Mary
posted by
FoliageGold
on April 26, 2007 at 5:20 PM
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Good afternoon, hon
I understand!
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 12:46 PM
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afternoon Naut!
I over slept cause I had to take a sleeping pill...
posted by
Offy
on April 26, 2007 at 10:25 AM
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Re: Hmmmm??
Who? Moi???
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 10:11 AM
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Hmmmm??
A wild sower of oats ???
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on April 26, 2007 at 10:09 AM
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gome
you're not actually attempting to introduce a note of reason and rationality into this 'debate', are you?
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 9:52 AM
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Xeno
you're cute too...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 9:44 AM
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droolah:
you're cute...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 9:43 AM
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Re: Naut....
Corbin, I like to share with my friends...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 9:41 AM
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Nautikos-has anyone ever mentioned to these people that they represent less
than 3% of the Canadian populace?
Even a smaller percentage in the USA? Where I try not to utilize slippery slope arguments; introducing language studies to specifically aid in the spreading of a religious message is an exception. This would set a precedent for any group of sizeable numbers to introduce any type of facilitating studies to spread their own religious messages. Further; ask anyone on this planet that adheres to religious beliefs what they feel is the answer to societal moral decay and they will invariably give the same answer; more of their specific religion. All religions supposedly hold the key to improving society, the majority of people in our societies continue to be adherents to one religion or another, yet somehow society continues in its moral decline? Go figure. . . . or is it simply because we haven't learned Arabic yet to fully embrace the true meaning of Islam? .... yeah, right.
posted by
gomedome
on April 26, 2007 at 9:25 AM
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drohan254
There's a little button on the upper left hand corner with an ABC and a checkmark...it's the spell check and it would make your comments so much more readable......I for one always have the need to use it and still don't catch typos all the time.
As to your proposition.......I'm already attached.....and being the good Christian.....I don't have 3 extra slots to fill.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on April 26, 2007 at 6:54 AM
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a favorite rhetorical device of conservatives is to take a statement from
one person and make it seem that many more agree with that statement than really do. talk abouit "The Sky is Falling" mentality?
posted by
Xeno-x
on April 26, 2007 at 6:41 AM
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posted by
drohan254
on April 26, 2007 at 6:38 AM
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Naut....
I'm so lucky.....
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on April 26, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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droolah
I am delirious...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 5:19 AM
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Justi
yeah, really!
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 5:18 AM
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New Yorker
I'm sure droolah would love to loan you a veil...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 26, 2007 at 5:17 AM
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i know that you are very happy to see me neautikus
i will come back as iam busy for communication problem tell our friend corbin i know his name now so he will not be upset we will communicate very well as iam in love with communication i will give you some advice about communication skills see you later friends
posted by
drohan254
on April 26, 2007 at 2:04 AM
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Nautikos
I love commenters who comment in large masses just to tell you what you wrote, or what you meant to write or what they think you should write? If you believed in prayer I would pray for you. Since you don't will you please keep them busy and let me rest.
posted by
Justi
on April 25, 2007 at 8:00 PM
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...
...and next thing you know, like I said in my next-to-last blog entry, I might even have to wear a veil around my head just to go down and get the mail.
This sort of cultural agenda which serves as a front for religious fanaticism freaks the hell out of me. Just as I don't want Turkey to become a member of the European Union (I live in Italy so it's a subject that affects me closely), I don't want what this psycho is proposing to take affect anywhere in the US!
posted by
NewYorker_in_Sicily
on April 25, 2007 at 7:35 PM
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New Yorker
Basically he wants converts, or reverts, as Muslims say. And he wants Arabic taught in High Schools, since (he thinks) that would facilitate the spreading of the 'Word'. And it has to be Arabic, since Mohammed has 'sanctified' the language. (There are references to that in the Koran.) For an Arab, translations of the Koran are never quite 'kosher', if that word is permitted in this context...
And, of course, the ultimate aim is the spreading of Islam...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 25, 2007 at 7:19 PM
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But there is another observation to be made here. Note that ‘Arabic is the language of the Qu’ran’!
Just like Hebrew is the language of the Old Testament and Koine Greek and Aramaic the languages of the New Testament. What does this nutter want, apart from calling the kettle black?
posted by
NewYorker_in_Sicily
on April 25, 2007 at 6:53 PM
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in veritate
posted by
Nautikos
on April 25, 2007 at 6:35 PM
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reductio ad absurdum
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on April 25, 2007 at 6:11 PM
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Good evening Corbin,
yes, there are a number of those barriers, among them stupidity...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 25, 2007 at 6:03 PM
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Good Evening.......Naut
Aren't the barriers to communication rampant in the world, simply frustrating sometimes?
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on April 25, 2007 at 5:16 PM
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Kabu
nice to see a friendly face...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 25, 2007 at 5:12 PM
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Hi Ya Naut
posted by
Kabu
on April 25, 2007 at 4:53 PM
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droolah
Hi!
posted by
Nautikos
on April 25, 2007 at 12:38 PM
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hi mr neautikus so you search here and there then this what you found as xeno said THE KORAN IN ARABIC LANGUAGE IS SO BEAUTIFUL AND WITH IT'S TRANSLATION IT WILL LOOSE IT'S BEAUTY BUT PARDON ME AS I DON'T HAVE TIME CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT IS YOUR MAIN COMPLAIN REGARDING THAT
posted by
drohan254
on April 25, 2007 at 12:31 PM
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TAPS
I am sure that by now I have a better understanding of the Koran than many a Muslim, lol. Pipes is of course correct, but one of my chief theses is that for Muslims, religion and politics are never separate, and that it is the Koran itself which sanctions that unity...
It is the Koran itself, in other words the (alleged) word of God, which calls for the establishment of Islam in this world, by whatever means...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 25, 2007 at 11:37 AM
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Xeno
I am not entirely sure what it is you are trying to say. That many Muslims don't speak Arabic? I know that! Permit me to quote myself: 'hundreds of millions of Muslims do not speak Arabic...'
What I am trying to show here is an Arab mindset, an attitude, in this case exemplified by Mr. Akhtar H. Emon, but one that is not at all uncommon...
It's Mr. Emon who says that Arabic is the language of the Koran. If you don't like that, complain to him...
posted by
Nautikos
on April 25, 2007 at 11:29 AM
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Nautikos
Preoccupied with gaining power, they often show more talent at politics than at living by Islam's precepts. In fact, Islamists, for all their ostentatious piety, tend to be severely deficient as believers. (quote of one Daniel Pipes)
I have known quite a few muslims, mostly through my work in health care, from parts of Africa, India, The Philippines, etc. Though they all spoke English (with foreign accents), not one of them knew any Arabic. Though they would speak of the Qu'ran as their holy book, not one of them had read it through in the way that I read The Holy Bible.
posted by
TAPS.
on April 25, 2007 at 10:41 AM
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Arabic is not common to the Islamist Community
Various languages permeate those who adhere to Islam, from West Africa to Pakistan to the Phillipines.
Parsi, a Persian derived language, and others through Afghanistan, and other neighboring countries, are spoken. People from Ethiopia and Saudi Arabia speak different languages,and speak languages different from those of Afghanistan and Turkistan and Pakistan, etc.
Arabic is native to Saudi Arabia. I am not certain how pervasive it is in the Islamic world.
But you take a quote from one person and apply it to the entire culture.
Many Christians think that the King James is the "perfect Bible", God's absolute word, when it is still filled with errors and medieval perceptions.
So you would take that notion and apply it to Christianity? When in fact not all Christianity adheres to that point of view.
Wouldn't you think that this applies also to Islam?
There are those who would like to see the New Testament in its original Greek Language because we wouldn't have the interpretation of the English medieval mind. Wouldn't you think that's the case here also? Much can be lost in translation.
posted by
Xeno-x
on April 25, 2007 at 7:51 AM
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