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Yes, I think I'd like to discuss more on this subject
I see the points you are making. I agree that the time factor is one definite thing to keep in mind as in direct victims and slavery was such a long time ago. But again I don't know if I should disagree on this one if I look at the way for instance the Indian economy runs. Should we forget the debt that colonialists owe us for taking our raw material away and murdering the local skills and coming forth and doing it again in the neo-colonial age. Shouldn't reparations result in cancel the debt. So I guess time also is relative?
Again, there is another aspect that I would like to dwell upon. The one about the equality. Ues we
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Straightforward
on April 6, 2007 at 4:05 AM
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Yes, I think I'd like to discuss more on this subject
I see the points you are making. I agree that the time factor is one definite thing to keep in mind as in direct victims and slavery was such a long time ago. But again I don't know if I should disagree on this one if I look at the way for instance the Indian economy runs. Should we forget the debt that colonialists owe us for taking our raw material away and murdering the local skills and coming forth and doing it again in the neo-colonial age. Shouldn't reparations result in cancel the debt. So I guess time also is relative?
Again, there is another aspect that I would like to dwell upon. The one about the equality. Ues
posted by
Straightforward
on April 6, 2007 at 4:05 AM
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Yes, I think I'd like to discuss more on this subject
I see the points you are making. I agree that the time factor is one definite thing to keep in mind as in direct victims and slavery was such a long time ago. But again I don't know if I should disagree on this one if I look at the way for instance the Indian economy runs. Should we forget the debt that colonialists owe us for taking our raw material away and murdering the local skills and coming forth and doing it again in the neo-colonial age. Shouldn't reparations result in cancel the debt. So I guess time also is relative?
Again, there is another aspect that I would like to dwell upon. The one about the equality.
posted by
Straightforward
on April 6, 2007 at 4:05 AM
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Hi Straightforward.
Well, I think there is some justification for reparations on an emotional level, but who pays who, and how do you know whether the recipients don't share some of the guilt? Many people were collaborators rather than victims. Also, what about the view that the descendants of slavery in the USA, to take that example, are TODAY better off than they would have been if slavery had not existed? Better opportunities, lifestyle, facilities, welfare state - you name it. Also, all races should consider themselves and be considered equal members of the society they live in, and if they are equal, then they share in the rights and wrongs of that society equally. They should not consider themselves separate - otherwise, they are separate, and therefore have less claim on the benefits of that society they live among but are not part of. If slavery had only just ended, then I quite agree that compensation to its actual living victims would be quite appropriate, as is, for instance, reparations to living victims of the Holocaust - i.e. the ones that suffered first-hand. I'm sure there is more that could be said on this subject. I am happy to discuss it further if you want to.
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 3, 2007 at 1:15 PM
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Tonyzonit, I am a little confused on how to respond to this one as I am one
of those who is an avid supporter of the concept of reparations.
posted by
Straightforward
on April 3, 2007 at 10:41 AM
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Thanks, Joy Mary!
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 3, 2007 at 9:54 AM
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Hi White Cossack - I was worried about that, so i explained it at th end
so there could be no misunderstanding of my intent. And you're right, there is humour in it.
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 3, 2007 at 9:52 AM
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Thanks, Chili!!
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 3, 2007 at 9:50 AM
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tony
Oh my goodness! Well done! --Joy!Mary
posted by
FoliageGold
on April 3, 2007 at 8:36 AM
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sonnet 210
A fun one however i'm surprised that "no one said - "but..." 8)
posted by
white-cossack
on April 3, 2007 at 2:30 AM
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Very good post Tony.
posted by
Chilitree
on April 3, 2007 at 12:59 AM
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Hi Saul - thanks - yes, you're right.
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 3, 2007 at 12:56 AM
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Thanks, Bhaskar - yes, it was time for a bold one.
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 3, 2007 at 12:55 AM
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Thanks, Whacky and Bo - you are both very kind!
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 3, 2007 at 12:54 AM
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Excellent and point on, Tonyzonit. I'm sick of the apologists and the
revisionists. Let's play the prevention game from now on. History is what it was. By its very own definition, we're past it. Now, for crying out loud, can we move on?
posted by
saul_relative
on April 2, 2007 at 10:59 PM
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Superb in style and content. I quite like the boldness that abounds, Tony.
posted by
Bhaskar.ing
on April 2, 2007 at 10:51 PM
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Ahhh...very good!
A smile
from Bo =^..^= and a rose
from me!
posted by
Whacky
on April 2, 2007 at 10:10 PM
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Thank you very much Najwa - I appreciate it and agree with you!
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 2, 2007 at 3:22 PM
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Thanks, Afzal - I appreciate your support!
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 2, 2007 at 3:22 PM
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Ah Moon, you just appeared in the night sky!
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 2, 2007 at 3:20 PM
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Yes, Chris - July is when smoking in public must cease!
Damn it, what else is there to spend money on??!!
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 2, 2007 at 3:19 PM
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this is the very highly recommended TONY for all the thoughts around the world you are great,,,,,, we are all the children of GOD from his POWER we live and none is better than the other ,,,all man kind are equal for life and pray by the way you know in your heart and all of us pray to the same GOD no matter what is our language or where we came from ,,,,,
,,,, you are great,,,,
the stranger
posted by
NAJWA
on April 2, 2007 at 3:19 PM
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Troosha, thanks.
I wonder, is it possible that life could be turned into a holiday instead of an endless contest? Probably not, actually - we are too competitive and hateful towards each other...
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 2, 2007 at 3:18 PM
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Hi OTA - accusations and guilt must end, and we must look ahead!
posted by
Antonionioni
on April 2, 2007 at 3:17 PM
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Definitely a great poem .
posted by
afzal50
on April 2, 2007 at 2:54 PM
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posted by
syzygy
on April 2, 2007 at 2:48 PM
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Extremely well written Tony! I actually think we're like slaves now----
"Don't do this---don't do that---you will not smoke in public---" etc.etc.etc. Chris.
posted by
Scramble
on April 2, 2007 at 2:05 PM
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Tony
A quilt of guilt smothers not just the news - what a great line. The entire sonnet was full of vigor, reality, and a good left hook. We should all be on cruise... we should all also open our eyes.
posted by
Troosha
on April 2, 2007 at 1:56 PM
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Tony
Awesome!!! the guilt is thick enough for all of us to share
posted by
Blue_feathers
on April 2, 2007 at 12:29 PM
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