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kooka_lives - I'm not going to comment about said blogger
Other than to say that engaging a cartoon adversary can be a form of entertainment, one that I have had waste far too much of my time.... and there are some folks in the world who will never get it. They are the pseudo smart. They have some education but they have become lost in a delusion. They are truly religious crazies.
I've seen attempts at reason that look more like the old primary school game "use this word in as many sentences as possible" . . . the one we all did in English classes when we were little kids. They aren't even circuitous, they do not qualify as curcuitous logic, how low can someone's logic be assessed? I had better luck when I tried to teach my German Shepherd to speak French.
posted by
gomedome
on January 19, 2007 at 7:04 PM
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Gomedome
I have a seven and a three year old. Dealing with Oddy is a lot like dealing with them. The level at which they understand reality is limited. You have to be careful what you say because they are easily confused and often do not listen so they only get a few words of what you say to them.
As long as Oddy acts like a confused child, I'll keep on treating him like a confused child. His view of the world is very child like, with all things good obviously good and all things evil obviously evil and so you can just label it all and feel safe. Wouldn't it be nice to live in a world that was so simple? Too bad things do not work that way.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 19, 2007 at 1:04 PM
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Oddy
It is still not the values themselves that are important. It goes well beyond just having the values. You keep treating the values as if they on their own are what makes things better.
If I have a glass of water does that mean that I am not thirsty? Just having the water solves nothing. I have to actually drink the water to quench my thirst. In order to enjoy the water and promote the usefulness of the water I have to use it correctly. I care not about the water just being there.
Values need to be looked a the same way.
And yes, I oppose all the which words against the use of the values I know are beneficial to our society,. For instance, I very much oppose the ides of worshipping a fictional character. That is a destructive value if ever I've seen one. going and trying to reduce all of what happens in life to being good or evil and pretending that if we all just simplify our concepts of reality we can get alone just by agreeing on any old idea, those are values that are destructive to society. I very much oppose them openly.
I still do not worship anything.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 19, 2007 at 11:49 AM
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Kooka…..hmmmmmm…..I think it is certainly O.K. then for you to love,
admire, adore, and respect the values that are within you. I did not imply that you had to somehow take them out and look at them. And you can similarly love, admire, adore, and respect the values that are within others. When you come to exert yourself on behalf of these values you will come to be very pleased when you observe these values in others and you will begin to recognize congruence in these values among people. In this way, the values transcend the existence of any one person, because they have universal application, and can be observed widely, working within the spirit of humanity. As a result, the love, admiration, adoration, and respect that you muster first within yourself comes to spread itself, grow, and become more widely applicable. You come to delight in the participation or observance of actions that promote these values and you similarly delight in seeing them uplifted. Similarly, you will come to oppose that which works to destroy them.
posted by
telemachus
on January 19, 2007 at 8:55 AM
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Oddy
I know it is hard in your confused state to understand words and their meanings. I said I respect my values. I said this very clearly.
I CANNOT love, admire or adore the values by themselves, that would be like having such feelings towards words with no tones or sentences to them to show the true use of them.. You even seem unable to do that since you say "I love people who are compassionate, but I also love the expression of compassion among people." It is not the values themselves, but how they are expressed that are important. You are admitting it here, but denying it as a whole.
The values by themselves are more or less meaningless. it is how they are expressed by the people. You can claim to value life, but have a limited view as to what life is valued, such as the lack of value we see from some Christians by saying that quantity of life is more important the quality of life. To me that is not valuing life and so the claimed value is unimportant compared to the practiced values.
But you of course keep on loving fictional characters and imaginary friends and wish to treat good and evil as straight out easy to define events, with a world where everything is easily black and white. You clearly have no real grasp on reality and wish to promote your dream world where you get to label everything before hand so that values somehow have meaning before they are practiced.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 19, 2007 at 7:52 AM
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kooka_lives - this is too funny
I'm going to have to sniff some glue so that I can get in on the "debate" . . . I've said it before, you are a better man than me in the patience department.
posted by
gomedome
on January 19, 2007 at 7:01 AM
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Kooka.....
Well, I find it very easy to love values. For example, I love people who are compassionate, but I also love the expression of compassion among people. The same is true for integrity, peacefulness, honesty, justice, and many more. And yes, I not only love these concepts I, in fact, adore them; because I want to see them uplifted in the world and spread among many people as a proper course.
It is baffling to me that you cannot even say that you admire and respect your own values. Believers have the capability of loving, adoring, admiring, and respecting.
posted by
telemachus
on January 18, 2007 at 9:54 PM
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Oddy
So what, are values now a pet?
Love, no that makes no sense at all.
Admire? The values themselves? No. maybe those who live by them should be admired, but not the values on their own since the values are not the cause of themselves. It is those who live by them and understand them who matter.
Respect? Well duh, you have to respect your values in order for them to be true values.
Adore? That is a lot like love and just does not work for such concepts if you wish to keep them in perspective.
Somehow you seem to think values are alive and something like a dog or a child. The values are not aware and they do not create the causes of how they are used. It is the human mind that does such with the values. To love, admire or adore values is the same as going and finding a fictional character that you give too much power in your life to because you are unable to face reality.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 18, 2007 at 8:23 PM
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Kooka…O.K., let’s throw out the word Worship.
It’s outta here! You said already that you would promote your values so we have a bit of agreement because I like the word promote as well. Anyway, let’s try some others: Would you also love, admire, respect, and adore your values? I’m just asking you a question, that’s all? What is your answer?
posted by
telemachus
on January 18, 2007 at 7:12 PM
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Oddy
I know you are confused and words often get too much for you to handle, but to promote something is not the same thing as worshipping it. You can promote good values for life without worshipping a single thing. I know, because I am able to do that every day of my life.Just because you are unable to get through life without worshipping whatever made up character comes to mind, does not mean that other people are so trapped by such things.
Promote and worship are NOT the same thing. It is that simple. You are that confused.
And personally I think it is positive thing that I , by default, discourage worshipping in general.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 18, 2007 at 5:57 PM
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Come on People Now! Smile on your Brother! Everybody get Together!
Try to Love one another right now!
If you do not smoke anything you are not in the act of “smoking nothing” but rather in the act of not smoking. The inaction of not smoking uplifts the contention that one should not smoke, whether intentionally or by default.
The same is true regarding your values or lack thereof. If you refuse to promote your values, you are in fact, discouraging them, either intentionally or by default.
Any belief system that refuses to focus itself on anything is, by default, uplifting nothing. Without focus you are in fact without direction and, similarly, by default, you are upholding “nothingness”, whether you intend to our not.
If you have values, then let us all here about them. Uplift them! Make them a goal for yourself, your children, and those about you. Glorify them. Sing about them! Praise them before everyone so that you can encourage them in your life and in the lives of others!
posted by
telemachus
on January 18, 2007 at 5:34 PM
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kooka_lives - this is the point where I lose faith in humanity
I've read some of the comments on this topic both recently and in the past. Some of the so called extensions of "logic" that paint those who do not feel the need to worship invisible and mythical beings are downright assinine. Some of the things I have read are simply retarded. One such twisted and moronic contention has people such as you and I raising our kids to amount to nothing because we "worship nothing"...... I can't even discuss something so incredibly stupid as that.
posted by
gomedome
on January 18, 2007 at 9:40 AM
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there's no success like failure
and failure's no success at all
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 17, 2007 at 2:19 PM
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I find it silly how some of these people use their thought process
In my opinion, if one is not engaged in the physical act of worship, than they aren't worshipping, right? At least that's what my mind tells me.
I get a kick out of hearing...."if you worship nothing than you are still worshipping something, which is nothing"...! Like the word/term nothing is a physical/spiritual being.
In order to sell their own beliefs and ideas they delude themselves; and they don't even know it. Kind of scary I think.
posted by
David1Spirit
on January 17, 2007 at 12:14 PM
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there is no such thing as "nothing"
posted by
calmcantey75
on January 17, 2007 at 11:59 AM
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Julia
Oddy is a very confused man who has trapped himself in a very limited world view. He will never listen to anything that does not agree with that view. Fact, logic, truth and reality are all things he will ignore if they do not fit with what he wants to believe.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 17, 2007 at 11:56 AM
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that was the basic idea behind the comment I made to Ody as well.
Worshipping nothing is still worshipping something!
posted by
Julia.
on January 17, 2007 at 11:51 AM
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