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Ben, I'm sorry but I don't understand the question
Without thought the coffee pot would not exist. Without your own thoughts, you could not touch it. Humans create and touch things with their minds. They use their hands to help in the creation but it all starts in the mind.
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on January 17, 2007 at 7:11 AM
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If we create our own reality...
then how do you explain how I can touch the coffee pot, the keyboard I'm using to type this comment, and other physical objects that exist in objective reality? There's a huge difference between creating a physical object that can be touched and objectively verified, and creating God in our own image. That's the problem I've always had with New Age notions about creating one's own reality; they implicitly deny that a physical, objectively-verifiable reality (provable using the scientific method) exists out there in what I call Real World Land.
posted by
kidnykid
on January 16, 2007 at 3:05 PM
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Gome, it seems that faith healing would work in several cases
especially in those that were caused by faith illness.
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on January 16, 2007 at 1:52 PM
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Ben, I mean that we create our reality, from the coffee pot to the gods
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on January 16, 2007 at 1:51 PM
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SuccessWarrior - that is the only way it can be
If one adheres to the idea that all human experiences pertaining to the spiritual world are derived from the human mind, God then becomes one of the most powerful concepts affecting the human mind. Take faith healing for example; no one can refute that there are people in this world who believe that it is very real. The power of this belief is then fortified by others to a point where there are people who have experienced "something" in the way of improvement to their medical conditions. But still to this day and no matter how many people believe in faith healing, or how many sets of crutches or wheelchairs have been left behind at Lourdes, . . . there is not one case, in all of our history as a species, of faith healing that has been documented by health professionals. The power of the concept is strengthened by the belief in it even if it is not real.
posted by
gomedome
on January 16, 2007 at 1:00 PM
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Success, we created the coffee pot (and other objects)
I'm simply saying that they're not illusions or figments of our imaginations; they're real, physical objects. All too often, those who say we create our own reality seem to me to mean that everything's illusion (even when it's real).
posted by
kidnykid
on January 16, 2007 at 12:40 PM
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Cee, I know there's a universal power
It's just a matter of who created that universal power. =)
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on January 16, 2007 at 11:58 AM
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SW-
This reminds me of the white light experience debunkers saying it's just a brain process. There is a 3-book series of books by Neale Donald Walsch, "Conversations with God." God talks of what our reality really is. You are all on the right track except that there really IS a universal power most of us in Christian land call God. All the rest He says is an illusion we create for ourselves. It's a tough concept to wrap your mind around. Einstein had the formula. But one would have to first embrace that we are all children of God. Jesus kept trying to tell us just that. We have powers that we don't tap into because we don't believe it. Fascinating concept. The power of thoughts ARE concrete. There is synergy generated when many prayers are combined have healed many a people. Thee are studies to back that up. But where did that power originate? The universal parent we call God or my daughter calls Mother.
Cee 
posted by
LadyCeeMarie
on January 16, 2007 at 11:10 AM
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Presley, if we understand that god is not a person but a power,
then it is certainly possible that the combined minds of men creates that power.
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on January 16, 2007 at 9:55 AM
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Ben, are you saying that god created the coffee pot?
Or did some human think of it first and then create something that matched what was in his mind?
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on January 16, 2007 at 9:53 AM
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Kidnykid & Success
Kidnykid - I see what you're saying in terms of physical material. I'm speaking about the power behind one's emotional, spiritual, or intellectual as it pertains to the conscience or unconscience.
Success - I believe it's quite possible that THAT much emotional belief/power could create a God as you've described it in your text. Of course, I'm very open minded about such things, because of what you mentioned in regard to the power of the brain.
posted by
Presley
on January 16, 2007 at 9:31 AM
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If that's true, Presley and Success, how do we explain the existence of physical things? I didn't create the keyboard I'm using solely by thinking about it; I had to - or, more accurately, my husband (and maybe my daughter) had to - go someplace to buy it. It's a real object, not what amounts to a figment of my imagination. I use the keyboard as an example, but what I say is equally true of the coffee pot, the pot of water boiling on my stove right now, and so forth.
posted by
kidnykid
on January 16, 2007 at 9:12 AM
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Presley, I firmly believe that our minds create or at least,
help create our universe. If this is true, and enough people believe the same thing, can we create a god?
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on January 16, 2007 at 8:20 AM
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Success
WOW ! That's an interesting take on things! Truly! Does the power of positive thinking (whether thinking in a positive or negative fashion) fuel that which we are thinking about? I say yes! You've really got my mental legs a dancing!
posted by
Presley
on January 16, 2007 at 8:10 AM
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