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gomedome
You're not the problem.  You actually listen to what people say to you and are not trapped in some fantasy land.

posted by kooka_lives on January 16, 2007 at 5:30 PM | link to this | reply

kooka_lives - I apologize for doing this in your comments
It won't happen again . . .

posted by gomedome on January 16, 2007 at 3:45 PM | link to this | reply

Oddy
Are you saying that the truth, facts and reality are what you fear most in life?  And so you need to create the illusion of your concept of God in order to deal with your fear?
 
I've read the book and seem the movie and am very much aware of just what that spell does.  You really need to think a little some times before you go and make quotes like that.

posted by kooka_lives on January 16, 2007 at 3:18 PM | link to this | reply

An excerpt from Harry Potter...

Professor Lupin: Now repeat after me - without wands please - repeat after me, Riddikulus. 

Class: Riddikulus!

Professor Lupin: And again!

Class: Riddikulus!

Malfoy: This class is ridiculous.

-Harry Potter and The Prisoner Of Azkaban

posted by telemachus on January 15, 2007 at 10:42 PM | link to this | reply

Oddy
If you think that, then you need to get out more. I would be willing to bet anything that there are just as many people in the world who view Christianity as being evil as there are those like you who view the name 'Satan' as being evil. 
 
I am not the one showing myself to be insurance and ignorant here.
 
You are living in self imposed ignorance and only wishing to believe that which agree with your narrow view on life. This is why you load of B.S that is whatever that stupid name is will never work.  There are too many people like you who wish to live as ignorant dumbasses and act as if only their set of beliefs matters and that everyone else is either wrong or misinformed and any facts that come along which might break their fragile illusions of the world are ignored or denied.
 
It matters not how intelligent or educated a person is if they blind themselves to reality because they dislike certain facts.
 
Sorry, but there is a majority out there that openly views Christianity as being equally evil as what you feel the term 'Satan' represents.  And you claim to be a guy who is trying to say we need to give up such trivial names in order to get along better. For your ajkacrap to work people like you would need to grow beyond your ignorance and start to accept the beliefs of groups like the Church of Satan as being as relevant as all others and get beyond your bigotry of their name.

posted by kooka_lives on January 15, 2007 at 8:17 PM | link to this | reply

Odysseus - so now you are playing victim? - too bad no one's buying it

You can keep bringing up my long ago indiscretion until the cows come home. Unlike you I don't try to lie my way out of my transgressions, I said it and even though I have admitted that it was ill advised, I will never deny my words. As a matter of fact, all that you have accomplished since your return is to reaffirm every last word of the opinion I expressed back then. HERE it is if you want to read it again, I suggest that you do because every word of it is an accurate description of your behaviour, despite how unkind the words are and despite how incapable you are of seeing it.

Agreeing to end dialogue?.... now that is funny. I haven't read one of your posts in weeks, I haven't commented on one of your posts for months and I have blocked you for the second time a month ago.....are you a slow learner? The truth is that you have to have the last word,....but I don't.

 

 

 

posted by gomedome on January 15, 2007 at 5:17 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka……I disagree with you that the word Christian
is viewed as evil, on the same level as Satan. That is absurd! My friend, you are mixed up about this and other things.

posted by telemachus on January 15, 2007 at 4:04 PM | link to this | reply

Oddy
I keep trying to tell you, but you won't listen.   The word 'Christian' is equally viewed as being synonymous with evil throughout the word, by just as many who view the word' Satan' as being evil.  So by your own logic and reasoning here, Christianity is evil because a good deal of people believe it to be.  That would mean that anyone who calls themselves Christians, by your logic, are promoting evil. Do you keep clear of Christians because of this?  We'll just call them both 'ajlkhjlk', since they are very much a like in so many ways.  That way neither one is stuck with any bias.  So now can you grow up and stop being a bigot and accept the values of the Church of ajlkhjlk?
 
I figure out all of my views on my own.  No propaganda or brainwashing involved.  In fact I knew I was an atheist before the internet came around.  I saw what the churches claimed and realized how foolish and insulting it was.  I read the Bible and thought,'Wow,.what a stupid thing to base one's life off of'.  I talk religion with those I knew who believe, having an open mind, and saw that they actually knew less about the Bible and the God of the Bible than I did, since all of their understanding came from people telling them how they are suppose to understand it.
 
I do not see this as  game, since if those like you are the ones to guide this world's future, we are in for some serious trouble as individuality is crushed and freedom destroyed at every turn. I am trying to promote ideas that will build a better future through acceptance and understanding, two qualities that you clearly do not wish to promote.
 
Me and my family are going to do fine without God or any idiotic religious beliefs weakening the important values of life.

posted by kooka_lives on January 15, 2007 at 2:44 PM | link to this | reply

Gomedome....
My dialogue is not pointless and I’ve been as nice to you as I can, even amidst your insults. You have not countered the holes I’ve shown you in your arguments. Instead of answering them you've blocked me out of your blog. Your statements that I’ve been rude to you are wrong. I write because I like philosophy and I like dialogue in that subject matter, there is nothing obsessive about it. What is obsessive is sitting on this site writing commentary about me after I'd been absent for eight months!  I mean, totally off the site for eight months, and I return to find you here, still writing mean things about me!  And you call me obsessive!  Listen,  I had no problem with ending dialogue with you at any time, if that’s what you wanted, all you had to do was ask. Regardless, there is no point in you continuing to bear hatred within you. I harbor no ill will toward you whatsoever. Why not just be nice? It’s not that hard.  We can just simply agree not to converse with one another and be done with it, nicely, like gentlemen. Let's just both let it go.  O.K.? 

posted by telemachus on January 15, 2007 at 2:06 PM | link to this | reply

Odysseus - That's what I have come to expect from you

"So I write a lot! So what?" No one is talking about being prolific or producing a substantial amount of work but trust you to interpret this as it suits you. Instead I was speaking of your penchant for ongoing pointless dialogue where you assume the role of antagonist and which invariably degenerates into name calling and insults. But of course you deny that you are guilty of any of this, it is always the other guy that starts it according to you. Even when I have produced comments where you have clearly been the transgressor you deny it. Any chump can do that, if you somehow think that is "upholding righteousness" I have nothing but pity for you. To write 1,500 to 2,000 words per day in comment in an attempt to make one person see things your way is indicative of an obssesive personality disorder. To assume that someone who you hardly know needs a path or guidance in life simply because they believe differently than you do is just close minded prejudicial ignorance.

I can take any one of your posts where you routinely insult those who think differently than you do, produce a work that is the converse, making the subject instead a believer and you would go into orbit. That ultimately is my point and what is your problem in its entirety. You think your opinion so valid and above reproach that you have written two sets of rules. In your world; you can be as insulting and condescending as you please towards those who do not believe as you do, nor does it seem to matter to you if anything you say is factual about the subjects of your derision. If anyone dares to contend these real transgressions, you pursue them under the guise of promoting "goodness".

Save your insincere apologies for someone who isn't on to you yet.

 

posted by gomedome on January 15, 2007 at 7:28 AM | link to this | reply

Kooka & Gomedome

Kooka….I simply disagree with you….if it is bias to contend that people need proper direction and that such direction does in fact exist in the world than I must openly embrace that bias.   I find it impossible to pretend that those without direction are on a valid path because that would be self-deception.   The word “Satan” is synonymous with evil in the world and yes, I despise evil.  I want no part of it.   As I said, if I ever go into the business of marketing fragrances, I certainly won’t label them as “stink”.  You just don’t get it.   The only way you will ever get it is to be willing to listen to someone other than the ridiculous brain washing propaganda you pick up from your iconoclastic atheistic web sites.  Your childish game is having serious repercussions on you and will similarly have upon your family, if you don’t wake up and get about the business of righteousness.

Gomedome……For me, it is good to know that I’m not the reason for your departure.    That would never be something that I would credit to myself.    Perhaps I did not witness these attacks you received from Christians because your responses where so overwhelmingly terrifying.   You always unleashed yourself against Christians like the Mongol hoards and perhaps that so distracted me that I failed to properly investigate who initiated such conflicts.   But, as I say, I’m not perfect.   If I erred in this manner, I apologize.   That said, that does not change the fact that righteousness exists in the world and that I choose to recognize and believe in it.   Not only do I recognize it, I uplift it, respect it, and garner it with the reverence that it deserves as a proper course for humanity. You want to talk about respecting someone’s beliefs, than we can start with your exhibition of respect for my reverence of righteousness.   And lastly, I don’t really see how being a prolific and productive writer   has anything to do with this.   So I write a lot!   So what?   It’s a site for writing?

posted by telemachus on January 15, 2007 at 1:17 AM | link to this | reply

Odysseus - don't give yourself so much credit

The only influence you have had in my leaving this category for awhile is peaking my curiosity as to what would happen to a blogging category if only people that shared one opinion contributed to it. The remainder of your comment is funny but I bet you don't see it that way.

"However, you are right that I criticize Christians much less and there are two reasons for that: (1) I do not observe them to be openly attacking others and (2) I hold a bias toward people of faith because I am a believer." 

(1) If you have not observed any Christians, on this site or in real life, openly attacking others, then I must offer you my sympathies for being so incredibly blind. . .  . as for (2) Yeah no shit gumby.... but unfortunately it is much more than a simple inherent bias that all humans are guilty of. You are incapable of utilizing any measure or discriminitive factor other than belief in your discernment process. Right and wrong are absolutes, so too are inherent human qualities, as well as deficiencies of human character. All your bias has ever done for you is stop you from realizing this. All your words (and they have been lengthy, sometimes as much as 1,500 to 2,000 words per day in comment to one non believer) have accomplished is to demonstrate that there is no correlation between desirable human traits and belief versus non belief.

The sad part is: that an existing correlation is exactly what you are trying to prove, and at whatever costs, even if it means lying a little bit to prove that you are more honest than those who do not believe in God.... sorry but that's just too funny.     

posted by gomedome on January 14, 2007 at 9:45 PM | link to this | reply

Oddy
No lies at all there.  Everything I said is very clearly the truth about you.
 
You are a bigot, since you are unable to see people for anything beyond the titles of their faith. Church of Satan, Atheist and so on.  That is how you judge people.  it maters not at all to you who the person really is. Or at least that is what you show yourself to be like, since the name 'Satan' seems to bother you so much.  You seriously might as well just go and start to be a raciest.  there really is no difference at all between the two attitudes.
 
As for hating Humanity.  If you claim that us human are so das and pathetic that we need your fictional idea of God (Or whatever stupid name or title You wish to give it)in order to be happy or have purpose, then you must hate humanity as a whole.  You must find us to be lacking in all morals and integrity, since we can only be good if we have God.  That is showing nothing but hatred for mankind as a whole.

posted by kooka_lives on January 14, 2007 at 8:07 PM | link to this | reply

Gomedome…..if your initial comment was not intended for me then obviously
I incorrectly read it to the contrary.   I have no reason not to believe your assertion in this regard and accept it.   As for your other statements, I have no recollections of any real lengthy disagreements with anyone on this site aside from yourself and Kooka.   However, you are right that I criticize Christians much less and there are two reasons for that:   (1) I do not observe them to be openly attacking others and (2) I hold a bias toward people of faith because I am a believer.     However,   all of that aside,   my only motive for being on this site is for discourse and so it troubles me to see you leaving the section.   I hope that you will eventually reconsider and I regret being the reason that has occurred.   Have a great night!

posted by telemachus on January 14, 2007 at 7:07 PM | link to this | reply

Odysseus - your response is a little confused but what else is new?

I wasn't speaking of you specifically in my comment. I can make that claim for two reasons. I intentionally referred to people in the plural using words such as "they" or "those" ...and you conveniently deny all of your transgressions.

You have done nothing but attempt to demonstrate that a handful of non believers on this site are deficient of character. As a matter of fact, your behavior in general towards a handful of select people on this site has been obvious to everyone it seems except you. If a person agrees with you that a God being of some sort exists, they get an articulate gentleman to converse and dialogue with, but if they do not agree with you that this being exists they get your version of Mr. Hyde.  Attempting to meet non believers offline to "convert" them is probably the scariest thing you have done but no less a nuisance than your constant harassment, insults and condescension. Of course some people do not believe you do these things because you never act this way with people that profess a belief in God.

Show us all just one example of you ever treating someone other than a non believer in this manner, ....just one example? The simple truth is that you cannot, you have never once subjected a person who believes in God on this site to your harassment. Is it probable that absolutely everything posted by persons professing a belief in God has been so righteous that it has all been undeserving of any criticism by you? . . . I don't think so. I think it is more a singular agenda at work.    

posted by gomedome on January 14, 2007 at 6:36 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka…..out of all of the conversing we’ve done,
your response below is the single most inaccurate batch of purposeful untruths you’ve ever gurgled forth.   You have absolutely no basis for the wrong statements you’ve made below.   There are so many lies about me in the sketch below that it’s preposterous to even respond to them.   You know that I do not hate humanity and all the other stuff you’ve said.    It’s time for me to depart from you.   Goodbye!

posted by telemachus on January 14, 2007 at 5:53 PM | link to this | reply

Oddy
Still as closed minded as ever I see.  You have clearly shown that your way of thinking does not promote freedom, acceptance or the rue ideas of spirituality.  you are close minded and trapped by religious beliefs.  That is why I can never and will never agree with you.
 
Satan is viewed as being evil by just as many people who view Christians as being evil, so it is equally stupid to call yourself a Christian as it is so call yourself a Satanist by the logic you keep presenting here, yet I haven't seen you treat the Christians with as much disgust as you have the Church of Satan.  I'm sorry that you are such a bigot about such things.
 
If you would grow up some and start to accept the truth about other sets of beliefs and stop trying to force your concept of God on everyone else (It matter not what idiotic name you give it) then I might be able to start agreeing with you, but I do not agree with those who are so bigoted in their thinking. Since your 'beat' is clearly nothing more than trying to force your beliefs on others, this will never happen.
 
All you want to do if force an agreement, that is all you've been trying to do for some time now.  You renamed God and then made the concept ultra simple in order to force agreement.  You've tried to guilt me into agreeing with you.  Stop lying so openly about such things.
 
It is clear here which one of us has been brainwashed by their beliefs.  Is it the one who is open minded and sees that all beliefs have value, and need to be looked at with an open mind?  Or is the one who is so caught up with one group's set of dogma that he is unable to get over a simple name?  You keep letting words have too much power over you.
 
And please never insult me or the human race again in such a manner by claiming that your fictional character ahs anything at all to do with finding happiness.  It is sad that you hate humanity to such a degree that you have to make such ugly claims about human nature.  Goodness is clearly NOT a higher power, unless humanity is nothing more than mindless animals with no true individual power or value.

posted by kooka_lives on January 14, 2007 at 5:32 PM | link to this | reply

Gomedome….I do not contend that you are deficient in character,
as I really do not know that much about you personally.   I do know that you are an Iconoclast and that is self-evident and meets with your own testaments about yourself.    I have no “need” to prove anything to you, I just enjoy commentary on the blogit, and in this particular subject matter.   I have never contended you to be inferior to me.   On the contrary, I think you are very intelligent and I’ve told you that before.   Your opinion that I “talk in circles ” is singular of mind and not held by most people with whom I converse.   You see it that way because you have alienated yourself against dialectical conversation.    Your post at the link you put below is great!   I’d love to tell you so with a comment, but I’m BLOCKED out of all your blogs because of your desire to insulate yourself against my opinions.   How is that so different from the fundamentalists that you’ve complained so much about?    Is that less narrow minded?   Anyway, I suppose it’s like Kooka says below,   we just have very divergent points of view about these issues.   But that does not mean that we have to hate one another or even be angry with one another.   Anyway, I just want to take this opportunity to tell you that I do not hate, or even dislike you.   I’m sorry that our disagreements became so intense and things turned out this way. I wish you the very best and would patch this thing up with you if I knew how.

posted by telemachus on January 14, 2007 at 3:38 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka…..As I’ve told you before, your point about The Church of Satan

does not work!  If that church contends to have values, it is even less workable.  That would be like trying to market a perfume with a name like "stink".    It makes no sense.  It is ludicrous to try to package something that is righteous within something that is recognized the world over for its evil.  You will never convince me to agree with something that is outright stupid!

Also, as I’ve mentioned to you before, an atheist that has found perfect happiness and contentment has likely found morality and has likely found “God”, although he may refrain from that terminology.  Goodness is undeniably a higher power.

I do not want everyone to agree for the sake of agreeing.  That is not true.  But I think it is futile to carry on a conversation or debate with someone who has predetermined that they will never agree and that is what you do.  You are so worried that someone is trying to trick you into believing in God that you just refuse to agree to anything.  Look, I’m not trying to trick you.  Why can’t you get that through your head?

I support the passionate expressions of individuality.  You have me figured all wrong.  Don’t allow yourself to be brain washed by iconoclastic atheistic ideology to the extent that you vilify me into something that I’m not. 

The last thing I would ever want to do is force an agreement.  What in the world would be accomplished by that?  But one thing I would like to do is somehow dispel your bitterness toward me.  I have done nothing to you to deserve your meaness.  And I know there are peripheral points where we can agree, if you would be but willing to seek them.

But I did not come here to further our disagreements, I think we’ve had enough of that.    I was just trying to get you to lighten up some!   See ya!

posted by telemachus on January 14, 2007 at 3:13 PM | link to this | reply

kooka_lives - I stepped away from this discussion once I realized what

and whom you were referring to in this post.

I do feel however compelled to add something. I have had my go around with those who are singular of mind in proving that both you and I are deficient in character by comparison to them. They will never understand what a joke they are or that their need to "prove" that those who believe differently than them are inferior simply proves what fools they are.

Where I attempt to not let anyone influence my decisions, by the same token; talking in circles with persons who will never get it is a waste of precious time. In realization of this I have taken a break from this category and found new interests: HERE  in another category. The dynamics of this category will play themselves out however they will, but for the time being, I have become a bystander because I think I have wasted enough of my time saying the same things over and over again.

posted by gomedome on January 13, 2007 at 5:32 PM | link to this | reply

Oddy
I've read enough of your posts and comments to know that your idea of the 'beat' is not about freedom or acceptance.
 
If you really do believe in such things, then admit that the Church of Satan has value in its beliefs.  Admit that an atheist can find perfect happiness and contentment without any need what-so-ever for any kind of higher power or 'god', yes they can even be as happy and content as you are having no feelings of emptiness at all.  Agree with me that goodness has nothing to do with any 'power' that is out there and everything to do with the individual itself.
 
The 'beat' you wish to promote is not healthy for society, if we wish to grow towards the right values that will help us build a better world.  Why?  Because you care not about individual or the reality of differences.  You want everyone to agree for the sake of agreeing.  That can only ever happen once we give up our individuality and become the mindless drones that organized religions wish us to be.  You made up word concept can only work once people give up who they are and that is something I shall fight against at every turn.
 
Trust me when I say that the reality is that in all truth we can not agree because we do not see the world the same and no matter how you look at it, we truly do not see eye to eye.  Accept the differences and stop trying to force an agreement.
 
While we both may see that the beat goes on, we do not see it as the same 'beat' at all and never will.

posted by kooka_lives on January 12, 2007 at 6:19 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka…why can’t you ever agree with me about anything?
All I did was just agree with some of the things you had previously set forth in your post.    Why do you want to be disagreeable and hard to get along with?   How much plainer can I be?   I agree with freedom!    Why don’t we just try focusing on what we can agree about for awhile,  and see where it take us?   Can we?  Lighten up!      Come on, you von tussles !   Go on, shake your fanny muscles”

posted by telemachus on January 12, 2007 at 3:17 PM | link to this | reply

Oddy
What you see the beat as scares me to no end. Your beat is not about freedom, no matter what you may claim.  It is not about acceptance of people for who they are.  You beat is not what the true message and ideas of the song are all about.
 
I already know you will not see this truth, but instead will somehow try to claim I am mistaken.  It matters not.  I can clearly see what your 'beat' is and it is one that should not be allowed to go on if we really wish to make the world a better place.

posted by kooka_lives on January 12, 2007 at 2:58 PM | link to this | reply

Isn’t it great Kooka that we both agree that you can’t stop the beat!

And then, by logical extension, we must also both agree that “ the beat ” in fact exists.   I can also agree with you that “the beat” is representative  of the things you say here, i.e. happiness, freedom, and enjoyment.  And so why can’t we just both relish in this increment of unity that we’ve found in this wonderful play.  Let’s be joyous together and sing the song together!  Come on!  Join me:

“Cause you can't stop

The motion of the ocean

Or the rain from above

They can try to stop this paradise

We're dreaming of

But you cannot stop the rhythm

Of two hearts in love to stay

You can't stop the beat!

Aah, aah, aah

Aah, aah, aah

Come on, you von tussles

Go on, shake your fanny muscles” -Hairspray

posted by telemachus on January 12, 2007 at 2:38 PM | link to this | reply

kooka_lives - I didn't see the post that you refer to but what you describe

is typical of a prevailing mentality.

There are people right here on Blogit that think that you and I must accept their version of God to be complete as people. They cannot or will not accept that all people are wired a little bit differently. They refuse to acknowledge that what they feel and believe instinctively about the existence of God are in fact their own personal instincts and not universally applicable to everyone. I think the things that have shocked me the most about some people's refusal to acknowledge these realities, is the lengths they will go to not accept them as realities.

posted by gomedome on January 12, 2007 at 1:21 PM | link to this | reply