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Two things, Xeno...
1. That does appear to be a website by the Minutemen who were shouted down at Columbia. I infer that you disapprove. Too bad – these are a bunch of "good guys."
2. What can you possibly mean that "some things need to be shouted down"? Do you know that I spent a career (and put my life on the line) so that you and everyone else can speak out WITHOUT being shouted down?
In a free society there simply is no speech so vile that it "must be shouted down." I know that some spoken things are very offensive – such as the hate speech of the Nazi Skinheads, the Islamofascists, or the far left Socialists, BUT they must not be shouted down simply because we disagree with them. Instead, let's marginalize them by not attending their speeches, walking away from their diatribes, and by physically restraining and silencing them when they disrupt others who are practicing their free-speech rights.
I am perfectly happy with physically gagging a disruptive screamer until a presentation is over. Thereafter, the screamer can do what he or she pleases – so long as it doesn't interfere with my right to do what I wish.
posted by
arGee
on October 31, 2006 at 3:02 PM
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arGee -- is this the minutemen you mention?
http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 31, 2006 at 2:34 PM
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depends argee on what you said
some things maybe have to be shouted down. considering what you post here on Blogit.
but that aside, this Russian story has been recycled more times than an aluminum can. I heard it maybe twenty or thirty years ago the first time.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 31, 2006 at 2:32 PM
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Are you sure, Gome...
That that's not a lot of crap?
posted by
arGee
on October 31, 2006 at 11:37 AM
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arGee - you have it backwards - they would let you up to the podium in the
name of free speech.
Then shout you down when you say something they don't agree with. Its that tricky difference between paying lip service to an ideal but failing miserably when it comes time to actually uphold it.
posted by
gomedome
on October 31, 2006 at 11:32 AM
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Speaking of Crap Spreading...
Check out my latest post,
The Five-Minute Pirate.
posted by
arGee
on October 31, 2006 at 11:29 AM
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You can't be serious, Gome...
No right-thinking, educated person would shout down someone else in the name of free speech...would they?
posted by
arGee
on October 31, 2006 at 11:27 AM
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SoloWriter - yep, there is a town called Hell in Michigan
It's just outside of Ann Arbor. They had a big street bash this past June 6. The significance of course was that the 6th day of the 6th month of the 6th year in this millenium, comprises the number 666.
posted by
gomedome
on October 31, 2006 at 11:08 AM
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arGee - you are ignoring the subtleties in the rules of crap spreading
We all have the right to spread all of the crap that we want and of any type; political, religious or unadulterated. But at the same time no one can expect to do so without some sort of challenge. The events you describe fall into the category of "accomplished" crap. That's where a group of people decry the importance of freedom of speech but refuse to let anyone say anything that they disagree with.
posted by
gomedome
on October 31, 2006 at 11:03 AM
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And I heard...
That "Hell.com" is for sale for a cool million.
posted by
arGee
on October 31, 2006 at 10:58 AM
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Well, I just read somewhere that Hell is a town in Michigan.
posted by
Jenasis
on October 31, 2006 at 10:55 AM
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Wait a second, Gome...
I'll spread crap if I want to. If the Dems could do it literally in Chicago in 1968, and if Al Gore can do it figuratively (I think) now, then I'm entitled to spread all the crap I want to...
But wait a second – when I tried to speak my mind back in the 60s as a student at University of Washington, the Left shouted me down. When the Minutemen recently tried to speak at Columbia University as invited guests, the Left shouted them down...so maybe I can't spread crap (or even good information), because the crappers only allow other crappers to have the floor...
posted by
arGee
on October 31, 2006 at 10:53 AM
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MountainClimber56 -- debating whether or not hell exists was not the point
of this post.
I will bet however that if hell does in fact exist, it is not located 10 miles under the earth's surface in Russia.
posted by
gomedome
on October 31, 2006 at 10:52 AM
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Gomedome, If you watched Hellraisers I & II last
night AMC movie channel, you would know that there is indeed a hell!
posted by
MountainClimber57
on October 31, 2006 at 10:47 AM
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