Go to HELL!!!!!
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- Go to THE GREATEST SIN IS TELLING CHILDREN THERE IS A HELL!!!
nobody in their right mind tells their kids
about Hell. There is no point. Hell is not for children anyway. Children do not go there.
Fostering fear in children is the number one way to ensure that one day they will go to hell.
posted by
calmcantey75
on October 26, 2006 at 5:12 PM
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Amen!
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on October 25, 2006 at 6:07 PM
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i agree - well said
posted by
ladychardonnay
on October 24, 2006 at 6:48 AM
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faholo
you must look behind those scriptures, behind the King James interpretation.
In a major Matthew passage, "where his worm perisheth not and the fire is not quenched" what is being referred to is a deep valley on the edge of Jerusalem, where existed a trash heap.
The Apostle Paul refers to fire as being a purging thing, where the chaff is burned and the solid building materials are left (but the individual is saved -- this is what people fail to mention).
And, in researching the concept of fire (Hell as we know it is a later concept (derived from the Greeks, yes, but developed in the Dark Ages [remember that]) you wil find that the fire referred to here is not consuming or punishing, but purging -- purifying.
This is very important to understand.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 24, 2006 at 6:38 AM
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my lady, you misconstrue
I agree with you -- and, I dare to say, so does my son.
lies like hell and heaven and Santa are harmful, particularly in the way they are usually presented. you watch toddlers when the parents force them to sit on Santa's lap at the mall and see how scared they are. I wonder what trauma is imposed here.
Also presenting fictional characters as real, knowing that the child will (healthy minds,that is) realize the falsity, again traumatizes.
But to have fun with the characters, perceiving them to be as fantastic a character as, say, Darth Vader, or Superman, then that adds to the culture and helps us to maintain a youthful attitude through our lives.
It is being overly serious about them that is the problem.
And then there is Hell. This hurts worse because a person can hold this belief throughout life and be deathly afraid of it, an unnecessary trauma.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 24, 2006 at 6:31 AM
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and you can sugarcoat it all you want
but we are liars as parents when we tell our children that they are going somewhere after death when we are still alive - i tell my children i don't know where we are going. i can sleep at night.
posted by
ladychardonnay
on October 23, 2006 at 6:00 PM
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kooka - we are talking about children
not adults - I can't even reason in my 47 year old mind about heaven and hell - let alone my 11 year old daughter - a LIE IS A LIE AND A MYTH IS A MYTH!
posted by
ladychardonnay
on October 23, 2006 at 5:59 PM
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kooka - we are talking about children
not adults - I can't even reason in my 47 year old mind about heaven and hell - let alone my 11 year old daughter - a LIE IS A LIE AND A MYTH IS A MYTH!
posted by
ladychardonnay
on October 23, 2006 at 5:59 PM
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and while we are on the subject
Santa Claus is just as bad a myth as hell and heaven - you can't prove that any of them exist. Can a dead man tell you whether he went to heaven or hell? No. But I can get $2.00 from the so-called Tooth Fairy - another myth. Heaven and Hell are a myth in my life because they are not something I can feel, touch or experience until I can't feel or touch anything at all.
posted by
ladychardonnay
on October 23, 2006 at 5:56 PM
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lady
Since the old man is talking about me, I'll give my two cents worth.
Having two boys and being very much aware of making sure they understand that it is not good to lie, we still have Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth fairy. I do not see those as lies as much as games. It is in the way you present them.
We do not go out of our way to have them believe in those characters. We play the game and just enjoy it. Santa is more of an idea than person after all.
I hope my boys have fun with the game as I did as a kid. Unlike the concept of Hell, Santa and such, if presented right can be fun and inspiring. To me Santa is no different than when I play pretend with my boys, and my six year old has a very active imagination. Was it a lie when I told him that the best way to gain more powerful magic is to tickle people and harness their laughter? He knows it is play, but now the game is that when I tickle him he tries to hold the laughter in so I can't take his magic powers.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 23, 2006 at 5:55 PM
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a verity it may be
but it exposes to the children that their parents are liars - just like trying to explain death to a child. i don't know if you have children or not - but if you do - what do you say when they ask you where do i go when i die? i may not be as serious in my thought processes as you are - but yet i know what hurts people. at some point in your life you must have been kind to someone and not told them the truth? or maybe not?
posted by
ladychardonnay
on October 23, 2006 at 5:27 PM
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Zeno-x, you say hell does not exist then how do you explain
the references to hell in Scripture, Mt. 16:18, Rv. 1:18, Rv.6:8, Rv. 20:13, Rv. 20:14, Mt. 5:22, Mt.10:28, Mt. 9:43, Jas 3:6, 2Pt. 2:4 and there are more such references? Thanks, Keep writing!
faholo
posted by
faholo
on October 23, 2006 at 4:03 PM
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How True. Hell is one of those unnecessary scare tactics.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on October 23, 2006 at 3:50 PM
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my lady, that is a verity
I personally think that the Santa myth does damage. Any myth can. For the first years of her life, my daughter (Kooka's sister) wasn 't taught that myth. We were part of a denomination that didn't believe in Christmas. Later, I left that group and felt comfortable participating again.
But that's not on a level of believing the "Christmas Story". It is simply being a part of an entire culture. Hard to explain in a way.
But both Kooka's sister and Kooka have eschewed the traditional in favor of new explanations, albeit differing each from the other in their beliefs.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 23, 2006 at 3:44 PM
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telling them there is no Santa Claus is worse
now we - their parents - are liars
posted by
ladychardonnay
on October 23, 2006 at 2:58 PM
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