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Ach, I done it again.

I'm saying there used to be a practical attraction as well as a metaphysical one to enter the Catholic Church. Nowadays there are so many opportunities that the potential clergy will have a larger percentage of those with ulterior motives besides wanting status, a living, and safety.

Sort of like women in nursing. There are so many other jobs for women now that nursing schools need to recruit, and men are making up a larger fraction.

posted by majroj on October 25, 2006 at 12:00 PM | link to this | reply

I warn my children as soon as we are communicating well enough verbally to warn them. I show them my wedding ring and tell them nobody but their spouse is allowed to touch ---- that is for mommies and daddies only.

posted by Jenasis on October 25, 2006 at 6:54 AM | link to this | reply

Maj, your attempt to clarify only confused me.

Are you saying there are no attractive people who should be the object of someone's attention???

posted by Cynthia on October 25, 2006 at 5:49 AM | link to this | reply

Thanks Tanga,

Your unique perspective is always welcome.

posted by Cynthia on October 25, 2006 at 5:47 AM | link to this | reply

I made myself unclear.

When I ask "why?", it is to imply that for many the attraction is pathological since the reasonable attractions are fast disappearing.

Check out the behavior of many African bishops in Africa.

posted by majroj on October 24, 2006 at 9:02 PM | link to this | reply

Very good post

It is time that society stops just accepting and starts doing something about these monsters that are simply allowed to get away with these atrocities!

posted by Tanga on October 23, 2006 at 6:22 AM | link to this | reply

Maj, we can only hope, but when I see those millions of

bodies pressing forward just to kiss the popes hand everytime he appears in public, I don't think this is going to end any time soon, or may be the pope will gather all the pedophiles and their protectors together in Rome...They can spend their last days diddling each other and leave the rest of us alone,

posted by Cynthia on October 23, 2006 at 4:34 AM | link to this | reply

Saul We have similar views,

but I would just like to point something out with the Foley case. The Republicans love to go back and point to a Democrat, Gerry Studds who had a relationship with a teenage page, back in the days when the Dems ran the Congress. The response then to now is like night and day. Studds did turn around and blame his alcoholism or a sick priest who abused him as a child, he stood up and appologized took the heat, there was an investigation that was SUPPORTED by the democrats and they took a vote to sanction him and it was almost unanimous, nearly all the dems voted with the republicans. Can you see anything like that EVER happening with these slimy dogs who are now in charge???

posted by Cynthia on October 23, 2006 at 4:29 AM | link to this | reply

Whacky, you have to have the surrounding culture

and the government that supports the church be a government of laws to protect all the people. Now while the church has been exposed in recent years by the press (primarily the Boston Globe Spotlight Team who started it all), you have to have a government and law enforcement who believes that people must live by the laws created to protect us all.

In this administration and within the church, they feel they exempt, they are somehow special and above the law. Laws are for other people to abide by, not them. I don't think we have ever seen so deep a level of corruption in our country as we do today. Spurred on by "deregulation", corporations like Enron and the Republican businessmen who ran them have run amok. The government is pouring unregulated money to support "faithbased" organizations. Haliburton has bilked the American people out of billions of dollars and the list goes on...

posted by Cynthia on October 23, 2006 at 4:21 AM | link to this | reply

Azal, Thanks for reading and commenting.

posted by Cynthia on October 23, 2006 at 4:12 AM | link to this | reply

If you were to strip the church of every priest, monk, etc.

Publish the conditions of employment, and wait for the ranks to fill, in two generations you would have a similar situation if not worse. The structure and the reliance upon religious fervor to spark the assumption of their life are about 100 years out of date for the western society, and not militant enough where they compete with Islam. People used to go into the Church because of worldly needs (a way of life, a living, social status, protection from an abusive family), but now...why?

posted by majroj on October 22, 2006 at 9:31 PM | link to this | reply

You are absolutely right, Cynthia. These monsters need to be brought to

justice, extradited if need be. The one thing that always gets to me: The number of children that have to live their lives remembering the atrocities done them. Until charges are brought against church organizations and upper echelon clergy for harboring and abetting known pedophiles by merely moving them around, this type of behavior will continue. Just like the Republican party covering for Foley just to keep control of Congress. Hastert, Reynolds, et al. As long as we allow them to get away with it, as long as we allow pedophiles to escape prosecution and flee to third world countries, it will continue. Good post. And although our posts are from different perspectives, I believe you and I are on the same page.