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don't call him Christ.
that's a deistic term, making him into a god.
I call him Yeshua.
not really correcting you -- but I think we shouildn't perpetuate the nomenclature of a church that should have met its demise some centuries ago. reminds me of millstones.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 25, 2006 at 3:33 PM
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Xeno-x - that is the whole point - there is much to be taken from the
life and times of Jesus Christ.
.....but instead the entire message is buried in myth and magic.
posted by
gomedome
on September 25, 2006 at 10:51 AM
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look in Mark
(the gospel)
you don't see a resurrection there, just a tomb without the body and a young man sitting there who tells the women that Yeshua has gone ahead of them to Galilee (in Matthew, the source Greek says that this is at sunset rather than sunrise [which is understandable since the Sabbath in question ended at sunset]).
then the whole thing was taken to mean that he was miraculously resurrected.
but its a good beginning to an interesting story. and Christians have concentrated on the story for two millenia almost instead of the teachings.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 25, 2006 at 9:59 AM
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Sunnybeach7 - this is the problem of perception we fall into quite often
with the Taliban or others like them.
We derive our notions of what is right and wrong from our own absolutes while not taking into account that growth and the evolution of how society views these things, has not been universal and certainly not parrallel.
posted by
gomedome
on September 24, 2006 at 5:54 PM
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gome
Yes, isn't that sad? And there seem to be many out there willing to resort back to that time.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on September 24, 2006 at 5:50 PM
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SuccessWarrior -- there is a reason why the life and times of Jesus Christ
are told entirely in the third person.
Or in other words; using the same methods as fiction writers.
posted by
gomedome
on September 24, 2006 at 1:37 PM
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afzal50 - I stopped into your post and was going to comment but....
in reading the comments already left, everything I wanted to say had already been said. So for today, I'm again a phantom click.
posted by
gomedome
on September 24, 2006 at 10:27 AM
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michael_pilarte - I stopped into your myspace blog - wow
There is so much more that can be done from a fully featured weblog platform. As for your statement regarding belonging.....absolutely, it is a huge factor. All humans seek some form of communal conformity or acceptance, especially when young. There are the aspects of pleasing one's parents, meeting the expectations of the community and aquiescing to the demands of conformity of belief. I feel all of these things are tied together, overlap or are related somehow
posted by
gomedome
on September 24, 2006 at 10:24 AM
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Sunnybeach7 - even more horrifying is how recently we are removed from this
The notion of a swift and merciful execution, is only an idea of the last 150-200 years.
posted by
gomedome
on September 24, 2006 at 10:16 AM
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Rarmcwa - I haven't read a comment that I enjoyed so much in a long time
And a belated welcome to Blogit. As a survivor of one of the church of Rome's mission schools, I also tend to look at everything that they do, today and throughout history, with a jaded eye. When Pope John Paul II began his globe trotting some 30 years ago for example, people described it as "bringing faith to all people of the world"......I described it as subscription being down and in need of some good old fashioned sales calls. I also tend to view the religious constructs that people throw about as if they are irrefutable fact with some amusement. Ignorance of religious history and the events that have given us the highly suspect fictional versions of "truth" that we have today, seems rampant.
posted by
gomedome
on September 24, 2006 at 10:12 AM
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And as for you, Michael
... yes. And reality is for people who can't handle drugs. Look it up, I speak big truth.
posted by
Rarmcwa
on September 24, 2006 at 9:52 AM
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In my ignorant, chicken-sucking opinion ...
you are right on. Allow me to add a bit of info of which you may already be aware:
The crucifix, as a totem of Christianity, did not come into popular usage until about 1,000 years after Jesus was tortured to death by pinheads.
The reasons were manifold: first, for a few hundred years after the wretched event, this primitive but effective torture instruement was still in use, so who in his/her right mind would wave it about in the faces of potential converts?
Second, at the time the crucifix did gain wide acceptace, The Holy Roman Church was out to save civilization from, among other things, Islam. So in response to their sword-point conversions, the torture tool was employed to make people feel guilty about how Christ Died for Our Sins ... a bit of mass-marketing which has proven extrordinarily successful, especially since getting put the the sword of a non-Christian would manifestly qualify one for instant Glory, a seat at the right hand of God, 72 virgin- oops, wrong enticement.
You get the idea. Great blog, and thanks for seeing things as I do. We may be right, we may be wrong, but at least we're not torture-happy, guilt-mongering pinheads.
PS - Recently uncovered bit of the Gospel According to Fred: "And, risen, He spake unto them asking, 'Does this shroud make my butt look big?'"
posted by
Rarmcwa
on September 24, 2006 at 9:50 AM
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gome
It's horrible the things man used to do to each other. What's even more horrible is that some still practice forms of torture today, and many other's practice it in their own minds. Sad.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on September 24, 2006 at 9:26 AM
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I recently read an article where the author thought Jesus
probably lived to be about 50 years old. He was probably a religious leader and a couple hundred years after his death, they made up the story about the crucifixion to add some oomph to the new religious movement.
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on September 24, 2006 at 7:42 AM
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I ask myself at times, is religion just a story to to quench a hunger for belonging??
http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/People/Profile.aspx/michael_pilarte
http://www.myspace.com/michaelpilarte
posted by
michael_pilarte
on September 24, 2006 at 2:03 AM
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A thought provoking post . I have written a post on Bigotry . Thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on September 24, 2006 at 1:31 AM
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