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Ariala - There is no solution that doesn't have us re-examining our
lifestyles.
posted by
gomedome
on September 19, 2006 at 6:40 PM
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i bet
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 19, 2006 at 3:41 PM
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Gome, I have no solution short of yours...I have to say I agree with you
that you cannot reason with this type of religious mentality...anyone not of their belief system is the enemy and must die. It does have to come from a non-religious political solution, not a religious one, even if from their side it comes from fanatical Islam...Unless you can think of a high frequency machine to brainwash and decult these fanatics, your other solution sounds almost like the only way.
posted by
Ariala
on September 19, 2006 at 3:05 PM
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Xeno-x - yes, for 5 days doing asset recovery assessment until I quit
It was one of those experiences that opens a person's eyes and makes them grow up in a hurry.
posted by
gomedome
on September 19, 2006 at 2:44 PM
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you were there in Tehran
just before the hostage taking?
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 19, 2006 at 2:29 PM
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sannhet - there is no doubt that the issue of the war on terror is complex
With many layers and facets, with a multitude of domestic and foreign policy issues that need to be addressed. The first step to addressing anything however is the recognition of the fundamental causal elements. Oil and the emergence of a new world order is one of those elements. Terrorism has two heads in this regard. The religious extremist who is fighting to further their religious goals and the sponsor of these extremists to further political agendas. Currently the USA is being played by Iran and other terrorist sponsor nations because of the inevitable shift in global wealth dynamics. Iran wants to emerge as a player in this shift and write their own rules. It is a crazy mixed up world when a heroine addict living in New York city helps fund the Taliban fighting coalition forces in Afghanistan with every plunge of a needle into their arm.
posted by
gomedome
on September 19, 2006 at 2:27 PM
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Gome -
While oil is a major reason for our troubles, from an American's position it is not the only reason. I fear that mearly changing our fuel only solves part of the problem. We still have to deal with American imperialism, the loss of American morals, the American hunger for power, the American hunger for money . . . the list goes on and on.
posted by
sannhet
on September 19, 2006 at 2:08 PM
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SuccessWarrior - we've been desensitized by their actions
Like how many times can you hear about suicide bombers and still maintain any type of compassion for them or their compadres. They wanna go visit Allah?..... hey, be our guests, if we have the opportunity we will give you all express tickets.
posted by
gomedome
on September 19, 2006 at 1:46 PM
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Odysseus - I knew that objection was coming
There is the reality of a statement such as this being facetious, it is not likely that a middle aged business man from Canada will ever have access to a nuclear arsenal. In recognizing this I must concede that making a statement along these lines is just talk. There is also an experience that I have had that I assume that you have not: in lying in a hotel room within a cordoned off area in Iran while extremist death squads prowled the city at night killing westerners simply for being infidels. It doesn't matter who you are or how compassionate an individual claims to be for their fellow man, any person who is honest with themselves will emerge from an experience such as that admitting their hatred for them.
posted by
gomedome
on September 19, 2006 at 1:42 PM
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Xeno-x -- another equally valid point is that we do not see where they are
right.
They are not completely wrong in their views, nor are we completely right. As for stopping our actions that they feel are wrong, they are incapable of this type of reason. They do not have a definitive list of demands outside of our destruction.
posted by
gomedome
on September 19, 2006 at 1:25 PM
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I would feel bad that it was pushed to that point but
I won't feel any remorse when the extremists are killed. Relief maybe but not remorse.
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on September 19, 2006 at 9:38 AM
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Gomedome
Your statement here: “
Where I would not suffer one iota of remorse in pushing the button to obliterate festering religious numbnuts who would just as soon kill me,” – is very indicative of how you and I differ. I would be deeply troubled by killing anyone, even if I did the killing to save myself. I do not understand how you could not regret the loss of human life, even if it is, as you say, “
a religious numbnut”.
posted by
telemachus
on September 19, 2006 at 9:22 AM
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they're like any other ultra-type person
they don't see where they're wrong, and won't allow different ideas to change their minds.
such extremism should not be allowed.
first, get rid of the things that make them mad -- U.S. actions that have. Broker a peaceful solution to the Israeli/Palestinian dispute.
then their host countries should be suitably embarrassed by them to take action against them. If not, then the U.S. will by then be on the crest of a wave of favorable world opinion enough that the host countries would eventually give in to pressure to deal with these people.
but of course there is more to it than that -- much more than Bush and his supporters seem to think.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 19, 2006 at 8:32 AM
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