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GEPRUITT
This one is really easy to answer.
If the Bible is not the true authority on God, then what is? All of our well known concepts of God are based on the Biblical idea of God and so whenever talking about the character called God one is talking about the Biblical God. A book that tells the story of a character is the authority on that Character.
I really do not think it is needed for me to include that I am talking about God as presented through the Bible when I write my posts. That should be just understood.
Where does the concepts you believe for your idea of God come from? if it is not the Bible, then you are not follow God, but some other concept that you have given the same name to.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 18, 2006 at 5:22 PM
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KOOKA
In the last paragraph of your blog, you make this statement: "God is clearly and unjust being." I take it, of course, that the spelling of the fourth word in this sentence, "and," is simply a typo, and that you intended to write "an" instead of "and." Your statement then becomes "God is clearly an unjust being." If this is what you intended to say, then that is only the beginning of my problems in understanding your logic. My problems with such reasoning goes more or less like this:
Since you are an admitted Non-Believer, and do not believe that God even exists at all, how can you say anything at all about His nature? (If He does not exist, He has no nature!) You may object that I have taken this statement of yours "out of context" with the rest of your blog, and that what you really intended to say is that "according to the Bible, itself, God is clearly an unjust being."
But, do you not also believe that the Bible is only a collection of writings by uninspired (to say the least) men who have "made God in their own image?" Since you do not believe that God exists, then how can you use the writings of a Book in which you do not believe as authority in describing the nature of a Being in which you also do not believe?
I could understand if you had reached the conclusion that, since the statements of the Bible are unreliable, then no one (and certainly not YOU) can trust anything it says. But, contrarily, you seem to have no difficulty at all in making the Bible an Absolute Authority on the nature of God! Or, are you saying the Bible has no Authority over you and your life, but is completely reliable when describing the nature of God? I confess to an absolute inabilty to follow such logic! Maybe it is entirely my own fault, but it all sounds like "double-talk" to me.
To offer a possible answer to your question of where the idea of a Just God came from, maybe it was His obvious decision from "the gitgo" to totally ignore those who would misrepresent Him and not "punish" them in any way whatsoever! Do you think there may be some merit in this answer?
posted by
GEPRUITT
on September 18, 2006 at 12:11 AM
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it's cantey who said justice is killing babies
I asked about if intelligent designis responsible for the design of a woman's birth canal, which is of such a configuration that it is difficult to give birth; the results being the death of untold mimllions of womenand babies.
he said it's god's punishment for original sin -- that the innocent must suffer because of Eve's sin.
that's Cantey's idea of god's justice.
thus . . .
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 15, 2006 at 7:48 AM
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cantey
Sorry, but justice is justice. By your standards the president should be able to follow different level of justice than a homeless person.
I have a better understanding of the world and universe than a great deal of people, so does that mean I have a right to a differing level of justice than someone who does not understand things as well as I do?
As for you really, really ignorant point, the reason I discuses God is because the belief in God is a very dominate attribute of man and in order to better understand man one needs to better understand religious beliefs. Your conclusion that one must believe in God in order to talk about God is very much misguided and has not one ounce of logic to defend it at all. that would be like saying I would have to believe in the Easter Bunny if I wished to talk about the ideas behind the character.
You've not been the first believer to try such flawed logic to get me to stop asking the hard questions believers would rather avoid. Just like all those other times it is not going to work. Since I wish to actually seek truth and understand humankind as well as the universe better, I shall continue to ask those question you and others do not wish to deal with.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 14, 2006 at 3:07 PM
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you are applying
human concepts of justice to a Being higher than yourself which possess concept of justice higher than yours. Does this make a being higher than yourself unjust if its concept of justice, which is higher than yours, does not fit your lower concept of justice?
either there is no God and no such justice exists other than natural human reason, or there is a God and that God cannot be judged by atheits to be unjust if a concession is made by the atheists that God exists by calling him unjust which casts your lower judgement on his higher judgement ( because he is God) by virtue of your concession.
So which is it? My point is that if you really believed there was no God, you would never even discuss him or bring him up.
posted by
calmcantey75
on September 13, 2006 at 8:39 PM
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justice is in the eye of the beholder
and too many have fuzzy vision
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 13, 2006 at 3:23 PM
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Anna, I agree with this statement:
"No human can understand Gods intentions or reasons..."
That's why there should not be any religions. All these people are trying to tell us that they understand god and its intentions and reasons.
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on September 13, 2006 at 9:39 AM
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Maybe God knew how the outcome would be if he did not act as he did. I know he warned Egypt several times. The people refused to listen. Their ways were an abomination to God. Maybe he flooded and killed them all so that all of the future of mankind did not follow in their ways. Once people understand Gods intentions then they can truly judge if God is a just God or not. No human can understand Gods intentions or reasons...
(no fighting or debating words from me :) )
posted by
SincerityAnna
on September 13, 2006 at 9:26 AM
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