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janesopinion
I have brought this up a few times now in my posts.
where is a creator in the human female birth canal? It is sort of twisted so that the baby has a very hard time coming through. This has been responsible for untold millions of stillbirths and deaths to newborns and women in childbirth.
Is a creator of perfect things, then, responsible for this? Are these untold millions of deaths part of God's perfect plan and design?
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 12, 2006 at 7:52 AM
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Janes
I did a whole post on it in '
THE WORKINGS OF THE UNIVERSE' that really looks at this in detail.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 11, 2006 at 3:18 PM
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OK Kooka, I'll take your word for it.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on September 11, 2006 at 6:21 AM
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Actually Janes
It requires much less faith and some simple common sense.
You really need to just grasp how long a billion years is and all the possibilities of what can happen in such a length of time. Seriously it is just as likely that someone will win the lottery as it is that life started randomly. And people do win the lottery. the whole key the amount of time that is given, which is the main element that builds up the odds in favor of evolution taking place. Any and all odds you will find by anti-evolutionists are based on it happen at one moment, as it that made sense. By using such logic with such odds you and I can never be born and there would be no advancement of any form anywhere.
Give all odds the time they need and those odds shrink drastically to the point where it is almost guaranteed to happen. The right amount of radiation at the right time is going to hit the right thing and we get active evolution. Once you understand just how long a billion years is and just how much can happen in such a time frame, it all makes a whole lot sense.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 10, 2006 at 7:11 PM
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Kooka, from what I know of the research being conducted in labs
pertaining to evolutionary theory, the experiments are reproducible if all the right elements are introduced just so, i.e. the flies are irradiated with just enough radiation to make them change but not to kill them, etc. I'm not sure that one can conclude that evolutionary process could be so controlled. As I have said before, to think that such amazing order and detail can come from such chaos requires far more faith than what I have.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on September 10, 2006 at 5:49 PM
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Janes
Are you saying that physics and science only work in controlled environments then?
Sorry, but that logic just does not work. You can not write off what is scientifically proven just because it was done in a lab.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 9, 2006 at 12:10 PM
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in labs, Kooka, in labs. A controlled environment . . . .
posted by
JanesOpinion
on September 9, 2006 at 7:50 AM
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Janes
It has already been proven in labs that cells can form randomly in nature. So if you actually look at what has been proven that level of it should not at all be hard to believe. Given a billions years it is not that hard to imagine some cells being formed. And from there just becoming more and more complex. It actually makes a lot of sense if you study nature and see just how things build up in complexity every day.
As I said in the post the real problem is understand just how long a billion years really is and just how much can happen in that time.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 9, 2006 at 6:12 AM
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Kooka, you mention caves, rivers and beaches,
but make no mention of humans or other complex animals. It is beyond my wildest imagination (and yes, we've been down this road, you and I, and I know there will never be a meeting of the minds on this subject) to imagine that a few cells (coming miraculously out of nowhere) can turn into a human being over a period of a billion years. Even with ever more complex evolutions, the thought of developing such complexity from virtually nothing is too amazing for words.
So I shall stick with the concept of a creator God. Stupid though such a notion may seem to you.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on September 8, 2006 at 8:18 PM
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