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I found this post informative and eye opening at the same time.
After reading some of the comments left by others I cannot help but feel a bit of sadness at their inability to think. I believe you are correct in saying that these people ( The Wahhabi ) cannot be reasoned with and that the only thing they understand is force and violence. I have enough experience with the Middle East to know it to be a fact. As soon as you make that statement here all who read it immediately apply their own values to it and would chastise you for saying such a thing. Forget the fact that the Wahhabi hate us and want us to die...hey let's just apply some of our good ol Christian and societal values to our comprehension of this dilemma, add a bit of political correctness for good measure and bury our heads in the sand. We simply cannot win against this self declared foe using our own datum line of comprehension. We must try to use theirs and adjust our actions against them accordingly. This was a well written, informative and articulated posting. It is a shame that so few are able to understand it.
posted by
gomedome
on September 12, 2003 at 2:18 PM
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It seems pointless to reiterate...
What I already wrote in my posts on Islamic Violence.
In summary, I am NOT saying that Christian and Jewish faiths have never been violent. I am examining the underlying precepts of these religions--PRESENT not the PAST precepts. I am talking about how purveyors of these faiths exhort their flocks.
For example, in London today Wahhabi clerics are celebrating the "heroic 19" who perpetrated 9/11, and thousands of faithful are dancing in the streets. ONLY Islam preaches violence as an element of faith. ONLY Islam rewards terrorism in the afterlife. ONLY Islam contains violent Jihad (holy war) as a strategic element of faith.
posted by
arGee
on September 11, 2003 at 8:37 AM
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OK...
...apart from the last line. You got me there. But the rest is firmly focused on your arguements. Any response to the BULK of my comment, rather than the last line?
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posted by
DamonLeigh
on September 11, 2003 at 8:26 AM
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Read Again...
...and point out any personal attacks that you see there.
Anyone?
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posted by
DamonLeigh
on September 11, 2003 at 8:24 AM
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Another thing..
I mention in my post
I Can See Clearly Now, is that the people of whom I write in this piece inevitibly attack the person instead of the person's arguments. I remember being shouted down in front of my college student center by people who said they valued freedom of speech--freedom obviously reserved only for them.
posted by
arGee
on September 11, 2003 at 8:21 AM
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Jeez!
I know, I know, I should just stop reading your posts and move on to more sensible stuff. But sometimes I just can't help myself.
Let's see...you say "but in today’s modern world, both Christianity and Judaism can be considered entirely benign." Wow! That's quite a statement right there. I guess you're leaving aside the Israeli violence against Palestinians. Not to mention the internal Jewish conflicts between Hesidics and others. And I guess you're not counting Bush as a Christian, despite his God-is-on-our-side rhetoric, and massive support from the Christian right. And presumably the entire Northern Ireland conflict, which still ticks on at a sub-news level, and is basically Catholics v. Protestants, doesn't count either. OK. Moving on.
One thing that stuns me about your posts is your inability to see how easily your words could have been written be 'the other side', and, if they had been, how furious this would make you. Rightly so. But you can't see why 'the other side' are furious now! As an example, here is you last big paragraph, as if written by 'the other side'....changes in bold to make it easy...
In the meantime, we cannot allow Christian schools to exist, let alone flourish in any area we control, or over which we exercise influence. The moment a leader like Bush utters a declaration of war calling for anyone’s death is the moment for us to act. These leaders must be stopped permanently, no matter what it takes. We must speak to them in the only language they understand – force and violence. We must disperse Western communities and require their children to be educated in Muslim schools that Wahhabi Coalition forces and their follow-on civilian counterparts control, schools where they will learn about the real world, and how to build a self-governing society on the ruins of the Western disaster.
See how easy it is? And the problem with either version is that it builds and spreads hatred and distrust of another group of people, primarily through fear of diversity.
On the other hand, I do agree whole-heartedly with your analysis of Saudi financing. As I've been writing for months now, 9/11 was carried out by Saudis, who belonged to a Saudi-backed group, using Saudi money. So why the hell did we invade Iraq???
What's your PhD in, by the way? And why do you feel it necessary to use it in your signature? Is it to lend weight to otherwise flimsy rantings? Or is it there for status and prestige? Just wondered...
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posted by
DamonLeigh
on September 11, 2003 at 8:12 AM
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