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Ody
That made no sense at all and was purely 100% lacking any logic or reasoning.
God is top some degree what you make your God into, but that doesn't mean that if you have faith in something that thing becomes God. After all everyone who has a god as part of their belief has created their own version of a god. of course that goes against Christianity teaching, but is an undeniable truth in life for those who understand spirituality. Of course that does not mean that everyone has a god. I have no God or god or gods or anything such being or concept guiding my life. My family is not a god or God or any such nonsense.
And for what you are claying is worship, that is clearly about the most poorly thought out concept you have yet said, and that is really saying something. It is clear I understand God, gods and worship much better than you do and it is also clear that I understand true spirituality far better than you ever will until you break away from the need for any concept close to God to dominate your life if you are to be good and moral.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 20, 2006 at 12:15 PM
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Kooka…..but God is that to which you have faith
and belief in. The definition of your God is whatever it is that dominates your quest in this life, be it money, power, prestige, or the things you’ve mentioned. Whatever dominates becomes your God. Why? Because it is the thing that dominates your actions, thoughts, and goals (which is worship). All I’ve been trying to do is to get you to see this and to then progress on in a discussion about what things are truly WORTHY enough to allow them to dominate our actions, thoughts, and goals. And perhaps the things you’ve mentioned here (family friends, humanity, nature, science, the universe) qualify in certain ways. Certainly, God can be manifest in all of the things you’ve listed.
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telemachus
on August 20, 2006 at 6:14 AM
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Ariel70……Truly, it is amazingly simple,
so simple that so many of you stumble right over it. I submit to you that those who live, as you say, “good, fulfilling, compassionate lives”, do so by establishing and elevating this goal for their lives. If they did not praise this mode of living, they would not be living it. Certainly, their “good, fulfilling, and compassionate” lives did not randomly manifest. No, they envisioned the idea for themselves and, by adherence to the idea, willfully moved themselves in the direction of their “good, fulfilling, compassionate lives”.
posted by
telemachus
on August 20, 2006 at 5:58 AM
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Ody
So now you are going back on what you said about me. You just admitted that you understand what I believe in and what I put my faith in, then you ask what atheists believe in and put heir faith in. Family, friends, humanity, nature, science, the universe and so on. That is what the atheists I know of put their faith in and believe in. They just do not believe in God. You see atheists just do not believe in God, They can still have faith in things and feel they is something higher in life and they can be very spiritual.
As for worship, they do not worship anything at all. That is not the same as worshipping nothing. They do not participate in the act of worshipping.
According to your logic about the name 'Satan', Christianity is equally evil and so the Christians themselves should be looked on unfavorably (Which I had already proved several times when we did this dance before and you never once were able to prove me wrong on that.). For your “ajlkhjlk” to be an honest idea YOU (Since you are the one who is preaching the poorly conceived concept) would first need to learn how to get beyond those preconceived notions. If you are so unable to, They why should anyone else? Instead of renaming God, try to look at the religions that are out there already, try to understand them and see the positive aspects they have, show respect for those aspects and values and learn to accept each group for the individual positive values they have. That would actually work much better and truly achieve something above just renaming God and trying to get everyone to agree with you.
You “ajlkhjlk” will never work since it has already been done before and failed. Renaming God is meaningless. History has already shown us this to many times. You are trying an old game that has never worked and never will. Instead you could actually try to accept people for who they are and what they believe in, even if it is not identical to what you believe in.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 12, 2006 at 7:30 PM
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Odysseus et al
Really, Odysseus, don't you think that that's a rather simplistic question? Atheists probably believe in as many secular, even spiritual things are there are atheists.
And why must you assume this ubiquitous, vitally essential need to worship, any being, anything? Can you not comprehend that innumerable people can live good, fulfilling lives, filled with care and compassion for others, without a need to to worship?
These things are sure so self evident as not to require stating.
posted by
ariel70
on August 12, 2006 at 11:34 AM
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Well Kooka, if atheists don’t believe in “nothing”
and they don’t worship “nothing”, what do they believe in and worship?
And we’ve talked about the "Satan" word before, which exemplifies the whole point of “ajlkhjlk”, which is to utilize a word without preconceived notions already attached to it. We don’t want people thinking of horned demons every time they envision morality, now do we?
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telemachus
on August 12, 2006 at 11:29 AM
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Ody
So once more you are lying then.
All atheists I have ever known or meet or communicated with have had the same kind of beliefs I do. None of them believe in or worship[p nothing, yet you keep making the claims that atheists believe in or worship nothing. That is saying that I do.
there is truly no one in this world who believes in or worships nothing. So either stop saying atheists do such, or admit you are saying that about me. You can't have it both ways.
Show me you do not have the kind of mindset you claim I have and find for me where the Church of Satan does not preach worthy ideas. All you were able to do was dwell on the name 'Satan' and decided that the name alone says they are immoral. We'll call the them 'Church of Ajlkhjlk' if that will help you to see them beyond a preconceived religious concept.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 11, 2006 at 3:06 PM
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Kooka…..yes I do deny that very vehemently.
I do not think your life is horrible or miserable or unfulfilled. And, although my posts talk about the pitfalls of worshiping nothingness, I do not truly believe that to be the case with you. You have spoken on numerous occasions about the power of your conscience and also about the power of the conscience in the universe. I think that much disagreement occurs between us over terminology. By that I mean what we perceive to be the definition for words like God, atheist, religion, worship, praise, prayer, meditation, focus, belief, faith, etc. I think that you have formed a mindset pertinent to these things based upon your experiences and that it forms a sort of block. And that block is even more blocking because you think that I’m somehow trying to trick you and I’m not.
Listen, I’m not going t be on blogit that much longer anyway so I won’t be bothering you. I may put up a few more posts but then I’ll be gone again. I haven’t read all of the stuff you have up yet but if there’s anything you’d like a counter opinion on before I leave, just let me know.
posted by
telemachus
on August 11, 2006 at 2:08 PM
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Ody
You have said many times that I believe in nothing and worship nothing since I am an atheist and unable to believe in God and have no desire to worship anything, and so my life in empty and meaningless. Of course it is very hard to be able to find actual examples, since all of your old posts have been deleted. of course you have already implied such in you new batch of posts.
Do you deny you have said such things?
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 10, 2006 at 3:19 PM
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Kooka....
Please point to the post or comment where I’ve told you how horrible your life is or where I’ve put myself above you or where I’ve been egotistical or where I’ve told you that you are miserable or where I’ve told you that you’re unfulfilled. If you’re indeed looking for something that "does not exist", we’ve just found it, right here. LOL
posted by
telemachus
on August 9, 2006 at 10:25 PM
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Such logic, to quote my grandfather, is flawed. Your questions are valid,
something most 'true' believers, refuse to see. I wonder how many people realize that Jesus described himself as an agnostic, and that agnostic does not mean atheist?
darkmuser
posted by
darkmuser
on August 9, 2006 at 5:28 PM
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