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Wow, the post itself and all the comments...amazing!
Give folks something to sink their teeth into, and you get some real conversation here. About your actual post -- I think the sense of visibility is related to a sense of being sexually attractive to those you might possibly be attracted to. I didn't feel invisible until I was past 60, and I understand that how I feel about it and how it is could be two different things. What really gets to me is how invisible my writing is to whoever opens the envelope where I submit it.
I hope the workshop inspired the woman with the impulse to write about a Mafia wife that she needs to sign up for some real writing classes and learn to do real research. It's more likely she'll see the real size of the elephant she wants to eat, and will put down the spoon.
posted by
Pat_B
on August 4, 2006 at 5:13 AM
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See, I knew you had super powers.
A degree and a child simultaneously, well either you're massively self-disciplined with a good support network or it's like I said, super powers.
I'm madder at myself than anyone else, for just not thinking or planning, reading four books (2 of them are U.S. realtor home study tomes, Dr. Phil's 'Family First' and 'The Magdalene Legacy' by that guy I can't remember) at the same time and not finishing any one of them.
Cigarettes are pretty horrible, and inconsiderate of age.
posted by
Cringe
on August 3, 2006 at 3:27 PM
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Cringe
on the other hand, there is plenty of time for courses and just after having a baby is not the best time. There's me who was doing a degree when I had my son. However, you can still study, by reading and there are folk here who don't mind giving considered feedback on stuff.
Yeah the smoking would get to me. It is an expensive habit. It killed my dad at 47
posted by
Azur
on August 3, 2006 at 3:17 PM
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Azur - yesterday, I sat here on the verge of crying because
I saw so much online courses I wanted to attempt, but know that if we discussed it, it'd turn out to be a 'no'.
I get resentful then when I go to the kitchen and there's a pack of cigarettes on the table, it's about $180/month for that habit, but every other week he's intending on giving up.
It must be difficult for you to be squeezed in to such a tight space with all those controlling factors in your life, but you seem to know what you're about, and that much will stand to you under the circumstances.
posted by
Cringe
on August 3, 2006 at 2:56 PM
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Cringe, it is always the wrong time for me too
right now I'm broke, my husband is depressed, the kids are demanding, I could go on.... it was just the same last year when I took three hours for another workshop because somewhere underneath all that crap is me who needs something for me.
posted by
Azur
on August 3, 2006 at 2:48 PM
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Azur - All the better then.
I would be more inclined to get something at least 12% proof to make me forget anything else!
Who am I kidding, I don't even have a glass of wine anymore. I really want to get involved in classes/workshops but it's just not feasible at the moment taking in to account a whole load of over eager circumstances.
posted by
Cringe
on August 3, 2006 at 2:22 PM
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Mind you this one was so subtle
that I missed it too ;-)
posted by
Azur
on August 3, 2006 at 2:21 PM
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CunningLinguist,
I love it when people see the subtle references. She probably wrote The Sopranos. So now I'd better watch out if my novel gets published before hers
posted by
Azur
on August 3, 2006 at 2:20 PM
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Cringe, sitting down, talking about books is far from
unappealing. Makes you forget
everything else
posted by
Azur
on August 3, 2006 at 2:17 PM
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I think she was full of the B-word!
Her husband told her to stop worrying about "The Family." I think she knows exactly what it's like inside the head of a Mafia wife. 
glad to hear those classes pay off.
posted by
CunningLinguist
on August 3, 2006 at 2:10 PM
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Azur, it is odd sometimes how these often seemingly unappealing
ventures seem to do one the world of good.
posted by
Cringe
on August 3, 2006 at 2:00 PM
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Cringe
it was a good investment of three hours. I find workshops a good way of taking me out of myself and moving forward
posted by
Azur
on August 3, 2006 at 1:55 PM
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You sound in great form Azur!
Energized, like!
Can I have some?
posted by
Cringe
on August 3, 2006 at 1:52 PM
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It makes me smile to think of that blonde07
As she talked to me about her idea I couldn't help thinking who knows what fantasies are going on in the minds of "invisible" women.
posted by
Azur
on August 3, 2006 at 1:35 PM
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blondeambition007
If so she deserves an Oscar
posted by
Azur
on August 3, 2006 at 1:33 PM
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Azur
Maybe the lady is fooling everyone and she has lived the real life of being married to a mobster and she is putting on the innocent act.
posted by
BlondeAmbition007
on August 3, 2006 at 1:16 PM
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Azur, I would think it would be rather difficult to write about a mafia wife after just one visit to Sicily and reading of
The Godfather.
posted by
TAPS.
on August 3, 2006 at 1:12 PM
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Azur
I don't get the B word........it it because I'm a blonde?
posted by
BlondeAmbition007
on August 3, 2006 at 12:47 PM
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It is, azur, a bit difficult to write about something totally foreign
to you. It is why I am very slow at starting my darned novel.
It's about a grandmother, and I do know about that, and it's about Mexicans and I know about them, and about old-fashioned neighborhoods and I know about them, so what's the trouble? I am not exactly sure.
But l,thank goodness, I haven't decided to write about raising minks in Siberia, or even reindeer for that matter. Too much research, much too much research.
A visit to Panama City does not a novel make.
Good luck to us all.
posted by
benzinha
on August 3, 2006 at 7:49 AM
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She had never heard of the Sopranos?
I have never watched it myself, (hey I live in NJ, grew up here- who needs TV?) but it has been everywhere media-wise.
posted by
FactorFiction
on August 3, 2006 at 6:47 AM
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I've been invisible my whole life...
Except for a minute here and there...I've probably only been visible for an hour or less of my 40 some years. (...and I love your P.S. it's a great way to help me catch up on posts I've missed!! I can't believe the things you do to your babies!!!
Locking them in the trunk just so people won't see you leave them in the car? How could you.
)
posted by
DarrkeThoughts
on August 3, 2006 at 6:20 AM
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are..
posted by
Azur
on August 3, 2006 at 3:22 AM
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.Dave
Presenteeism and comments is the way around it but if you are short of time you are unseen
posted by
Azur
on August 3, 2006 at 3:22 AM
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Hey, just noticed the 'invisible' add-on. I've been thinking about this
very aspect of the Blogit readership quite a lot just lately.
posted by
_dave_says_ack_
on August 3, 2006 at 3:15 AM
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It was obvious what the B word was...
"I have to get out of this Blenheim Place" - it's a posh estate near where you live where you felt obliged to go to a coffee morning once and now you're stuck into a weekly visit with people you can't stand.
It was the obvious 8-letter word to me.
That course sounds great. The impetus from it will set you on a roll.
posted by
_dave_says_ack_
on August 3, 2006 at 12:32 AM
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go for it Azur have some fun along the way too.
posted by
marieclaire66
on August 3, 2006 at 12:09 AM
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Blanche, people see what's smeared on their nose
and little more.
I must look out for that. Doris Lessing is a very good author
posted by
Azur
on August 2, 2006 at 9:59 PM
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JohnMcNab
Invisibility has it uses. One can do so much
posted by
Azur
on August 2, 2006 at 9:57 PM
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Azur
It isn't only women who become invisible as they become older. Men do as well, and personally, I love it. Of course we all know what the 'B' word is.
posted by
johnmacnab
on August 2, 2006 at 5:50 PM
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Azur, I cannot believe that nobody got the "b" word,
Just as I'm shocked that the woman who wants to write a novel about a Sicilian mafia wife has not heard of the Sopranos. Even I, who have never watched a single episode, because I hate gratuitous and redundant violence, which all the mafia shows seem to relish. and don't have HBO, have heard of The Sopranos.
Doris Lessing wrote very eloquently of the invisibility of women as we get older. I can't remember which short story or novel of hers where I read that she felt annoyed by construction workers, either because they did or didn't whistle at her as she walked by. I can't remember which.
posted by
Blanche.
on August 2, 2006 at 5:10 PM
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Yes Azur, I'm afraid so
posted by
Azur
on August 2, 2006 at 4:51 PM
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Invisible before my time perhaps?
posted by
Azur
on August 2, 2006 at 4:32 PM
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