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mysteria
Thanks for the stroll down memory lane. The words are thought evoking. I can remember being in high school and wondering about their meaning.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 24, 2006 at 2:32 AM
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The Logical Song" by Supertramp
When i was young
It seemed that life was so wonderful
A miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical
And all the birds in the trees
Well they´d be singing so happily
Oh joyfully, oh playfully watching me
But then they sent me away
To teach me how to be sensible
Logical, oh responsible ,practical
And they showed me a world
Where i could be so dependable
Oh clinical, oh intellectual, cynical
There are times when all the world´s asleep
The questions run too deep
For such a simple man
Won´t you please, please tell me what we´ve learned
I know it sounds absurd
But please tell me who i am
Now watch what you say
Or they´ll be calling you a radical
A liberal, oh fanatical, criminal
Oh won´t you sign up your name
We´d like to feel you´re
Acceptable, respectable, oh presentable, a vegetable!
At night when all the world´s asleep
The questions run too deep
For such a simple man
Won´t you please, please tell me what we've learned
I know it sounds absurd
But please tell me who i am, who i am ,who i am.
posted by
mysteria
on July 23, 2006 at 1:34 PM
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Mason
It has been the sole cause of my rebellious nature.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 20, 2006 at 3:20 AM
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..hypocracy will do it every time....
posted by
MasonGarrett
on July 19, 2006 at 9:04 PM
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Azur
You are so right about that. And, then deny that's anything's happened!
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 5:42 PM
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Witnessing that would shape your thinking
For me it is not so much the acts of out and out cruelty that hit me but that some proclaim so loudly in their faith and yet are consistenly unkind in small everyday ways.
posted by
Azur
on July 19, 2006 at 5:36 PM
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TAPS
I have found you to be a paragon of virtue. Thank you.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 5:33 PM
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Justi
And, it is incredibly arrogant to believe that one's church is the only one making it to heaven.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 5:32 PM
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Justi
I think I liked Methodist the best of all the Christian denominations. They are very laid back.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 5:31 PM
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Blanche
They were incredibly archaic. It was almost cultish. Music? Are you kidding? It was 'against God's will' to have musical instruments. Singing only.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 5:30 PM
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Rcky
I think that's what turned me off the most- the hypocrisy. But, I do understand now that it was my perfectionism that was the problem. Still is.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 5:29 PM
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avant-garde, There are many who are disallusioned and disappointed in this world, including many who were once preachers/ministers/priests/pastors. There are no perfect humans. We need to look far above those who would lead when we are looking for leadership. I don't know who wrote this, but I like it. I copied it from the internet:
posted by
TAPS.
on July 19, 2006 at 3:44 PM
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Avant Gard
Oh my goodness. They have some strange theology. My mother used to say to me that we would need to be very quiet when we got to heaven because the Church of Christ did not know we were there. A silly saying but how did they get such an idea? Jesus is not like that my dear man!
posted by
Justi
on July 19, 2006 at 3:41 PM
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Seriously, Avant, you belonged to Church of Christ, that is the one I
joined, mostly because it was in the neighborhood, and someone took me three. I stayed for a year for the music. I had no idea that they actually believed that they are the ONLY Christians going to heaven. Although the strict interpretation of Paul's "keep women barefoot and pregnant, and eeen and not heard" also annoyed me. I quit.
posted by
Blanche.
on July 19, 2006 at 3:29 PM
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Avant, that is how it seems to be, I cannot find a church here that speaks
to my heart. Sad.
posted by
Blanche.
on July 19, 2006 at 3:26 PM
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Justi
I was Church of Christ, the only purported people 'going to heaven.'
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 3:24 PM
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Hi Avant....Wow that upset me about the "good preacher" kicking the dog
...you know how I love animals that alone would have me questioning his character. I too grow up christian and found that many of the so-called good christians were hippocrates. When I was a kid our neighbor always bragged about how he never misses Sunday morning and Wednesday evening mass and was highly respected in our community. One day after Sunday mass I knocked on their door to see his daughter and to my surprise he was drunk and was in the process of beating on his wife. My friend was very embarrased and we never spoke of it again. That was just one of many examples of those "good christians. Look at Jimmy Swaggert, Pat Robertson, Jim Baker...need I say more! I'm with you on this one!
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on July 19, 2006 at 3:24 PM
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Avant Garde
You poor dear. I am fortunate I never experienced any of that and I was in church all my life. I am a Methodist. Well I am not anything of a name. I am a Christian. But I never heard this sort of stuff. I am so sorry that anyone has.
posted by
Justi
on July 19, 2006 at 3:22 PM
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Blanche
I think my kids will have enough spirituality without going to a church and listening to do's and don't's.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 3:21 PM
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bel
I have a distinct distaste for condemnation and criticism spiritually speaking.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 3:19 PM
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Avant-Garde,my own process seems to be backwards from the way
most people experienced religion: as being forced upon them at an early age, rebelling and seeking their own paths. I came full circle from an agnostic, areligioius background, through a secular education, and back to Christ through my own experiences, but not until I'd been exposed to many, many others. I don't have answers for evryone, only myself, but you know much of my story already.
posted by
Blanche.
on July 19, 2006 at 3:19 PM
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Rumored
Yes, they do.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 3:19 PM
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YPunday
The guy had me psyched out until I saw that. Then it became sheer disrespect.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 3:19 PM
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sannhet
Yes, and continuing to blame those whom one sees as the oppressors keeps one in the dark.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 3:18 PM
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Moon
Exactly. And, I thought this guy had a pipeline to God. He was a charlatan to me after that incident. Pretty soon, it became all religious people. I had to do some real digging to get at the core of my resentment.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 3:17 PM
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Blanche
I realize now that accepting any ideology at face value is brainwashing. I did not understand it then, and I still don't. That one becomes afraid of not doing it seems to be the only reason for doing it.
posted by
avant-garde
on July 19, 2006 at 3:16 PM
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Avant
People like that are exactly the reason I refuse to follow any form of "organized" religion.
posted by
bel_1965
on July 19, 2006 at 2:53 PM
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avant-....very well said....
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...reminds me of a quote I am paraphrasing, "Those humans whom we hold the highest have feet of clay."
posted by
Rumor
on July 19, 2006 at 2:47 PM
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A_G, my Christian duty disallowed experimenting w/ my daughters.NO religion
was the idea, and to see at what age they would ask. But society will not let a child get older w/o teaching some religious tenet or ritual. I am glad YOU caught him-- those who love foirgiveness from God are so cruel and unforgiving to fellow humans and animals.
posted by
ILLUMINATI8
on July 19, 2006 at 2:42 PM
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Avant -
Nor is the veil of illusion pulled back by accident. To want to know what is real takes fortitude borne of that disbelief.
posted by
sannhet
on July 19, 2006 at 2:30 PM
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Avant, what a pity that so much damage is inflicted in the Name of the God of Love. Moon_Spirit 
posted by
syzygy
on July 19, 2006 at 2:14 PM
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Avant-Garde,it is strange how the age of 11 or 12 seems to be the
age of reaching adult consciousness, perhaps that's one reason why Jewish bar or bat mitvahs are held at the age of 13. I've read that Albert Einstein went through a similar process of questioning and renouncing his early religious devotion at the age of 13. He never became an atheist though, I love his phrase, "God does not play dice" and "God is in the details". I think he simply chose another path, to explore the outer mysteries.
That moment with the minister in the parking lot, kicking the dog, must have been an eye-opener, there is too much literal and figurative kicking the dog, while maintaining a sanctimonious facade, even to oneself, I believe, in many areas. I've never understood how someone could lie to themselves so completely and believe it.
posted by
Blanche.
on July 19, 2006 at 2:00 PM
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