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Jokes are necessary during electoral periods to relieve political tensions whther about Bush or Clinton

posted by adventurer02 on September 11, 2015 at 12:54 AM | link to this | reply

Also, offbeat

Just so you know a few facts. The reason I talked about masturbation and sex is because it has been proven that those things relieve stress and help people relax. Since my post was talking about stress and relaxing, using such proven methods as example of what those who are not relaxed need to try actually makes sense.

Seriously, loosen up girl. Maybe you do need some if you have such an issue with talking about how those who are uptight need to get off.

posted by kooka_lives on August 6, 2006 at 5:59 PM | link to this | reply

OFFBEAT

I am not sure why you posted a comment that just prove my point while trying to claim I was wrong, but thanks.

Loosen up and stop taking things so seriously.

posted by kooka_lives on August 6, 2006 at 5:52 PM | link to this | reply

I am a conservative with a great sense of humor. I need not masterbate or get laid to have my jollies. The fact that you reference these two things tells me the pulse of the liberals remain at the shallow end of the gene pool. No surprise there...

posted by Offy on August 6, 2006 at 5:28 PM | link to this | reply

AaronB

Actually under Clinton we survived as a healthy economy while the rest to the world fell in a recession. We were going strong as other countries were hurting.

As for the internet bubble, that can not be blamed on anything to do with Clinton. Go and study economic and you will see that such a pattern happens any time a new business concept of that style is introduced. You have an initial period of incredible growth, followed by a good number of business in that field falling under because they were not the best and in the end it stabilizes with a much smaller amount of companies making it through, but all of them becoming something more. It would not have mattered who the president was at the time, the internet would have done the exact same thing for a conservative or liberal and there is nothing at all that could have been done to stop it.

As for 9/11, that has become a great excuses for why Bush has failed the country. The truth is we started going downhill shortly after Bush made his first changes and have yet to recover. If it was only 9/11, then we would be in much better shape. if it was because of what Clinton had done, then there would have been more signs of it before Bush took office. Yet if you study how it all went down, once Bush's tax cuts went into effect whatever it had been that had been keeping us above going into recession vanished and we got hit hard.

While the Middle East has never truly calmed down, it was actually getting there before Bush took us into Iraq. During Clinton's terms things had gotten settled down and were close to being under control (At least as far as the middle east can be settled down.). Bush made a huge mistake by going into Iraq, since he could have actually used 9/11 to achieve something positive, but he just wanted to go into Iraq too badly. In fact right after 9/11 there was hope, since even most of the Muslims felt that was going too far. No one had a problem with us going into Afghanistan and dealing with those who attacked us. if we would have worked off of that and done it right, there might actually be a chance of peace in the Middle East. But now that has been lost.A

posted by kooka_lives on August 6, 2006 at 5:20 PM | link to this | reply

Revisions

Absolutely, references to Chappaquiddick should not replace discussion of real issues (although a sound bite where Kennedy was talking about the mock-drowning of “waterboarding” was too much to listen to with a straight face).

Where we disagree is that even your basic pro-Clinton talking points are wrong. He enjoyed years of strong economic growth, but the inevitable downturn had already started months before he left office. The economic growth under him was also artificially inflated by the internet bubble and phony accounting practices of companies like Enron, which exploded during the Bush presidency. Then there was 9/11; considering that the economy has been absolutely remarkable under Bush. The Middle East wasn’t exactly settling down, either – there was a little problem called the intifada.

posted by AaronB on August 3, 2006 at 9:20 AM | link to this | reply

AaronB

What Bush is doing is not the same thing, but in some ways it is much worse. And so we agree that he action is wrong for either side to do. Now beyond that, what is gained by talking about the act every time Kennedy is mentioned as if that act is enough to show the ideas of Liberals to be wrong? If you wish to talk about Kennedy's guilt, then do so in a manner that is focusing on his actions, not in a debate about political ideas. It is only being used as a way to discredit the guy right away before any debate happens and serves no purpose at all, unless you are childish and have no real argument for your side. it is a pathetic tactic in the end. It would be like talking about Watergate every single time I debated politics. Those actions taken then are not really important the issues I debate and they serve no purpose in the actual debate to bring them up.

Actually defeat or victory in Iraq will change nothing at all. In either case whatever comes after we are gone will not last. it has been a true waste of time, money and lives and in the end will have done nothing of value for the world. It clearly ahs only helped to stir things up and bring us to the level of violence we are now seeing.

I do not write stuff about Clinton outside of the simple fact that when his terms ended the country was in fairly good shape and the Middle East was settling down. Bush was given everything in great shape and has since gone and damaged it all greatly. I never actually cared for Clinton, but he was a far better president than Bush. Under Clinton we had a record low unemployment rate, we had some incredible business growth and we saw stable (for the most part, far more stable than under Bush) economic growth.

posted by kooka_lives on August 2, 2006 at 8:03 AM | link to this | reply

Late reply, but in brief

If you know a conservative who killed someone and used his influence to avoid punishment, I want them sent to jail too (just don’t give me BS about how people died during the war, therefore Bush is a murderer too. If you think that’s the same thing, trying to have a logical discussion is pointless).

I don’t think any major politician has nothing to hide, including Bush. And if you think all conservatives love everything he does, you must have completely missed the whole immigration debate (and the budget issue, and the Harriet Miers mistake, and a whole lot of other stuff). We just happen to think defeat in Iraq would be a much greater disaster than most liberals realize, and those who hate Bush so much they would undermine our war efforts are utter fools.

Clinton bombed or invaded nations every time he got in personal trouble, and sold bits of our country to pay his lawyers to keep him out of jail. Iraq winced and China celebrated whenever he got caught grabbing a subordinate's boob. You can argue about Bush’s foreign policy decisions, but at least they weren’t made to make himself some money or divert attention from his sex scandals.

Things got “accomplished” during Clinton's presidency, such as that agreement with North Korea where we gave them almost everything they wanted in exchange for them not pursuing nukes. And those Camp David accords really solved the Middle East problem, too. You write that stuff about Clinton and then accuse me of being naïve?

posted by AaronB on July 31, 2006 at 9:58 PM | link to this | reply

AaronB

I am not trying to say what Kennedy did was right and should be forgotten, but it is just childish to keep on mentioning it as way to put down liberals. It serves no purpose and just shows lack of ability to find anything truly wrong with liberal thinking. It is regretful that people get away with murder, but there is little that can be done about that. There is little point in trying to play judge and jury over the case since it has passed and nothing is going to change what happened and how it all ended, unless you feel that we should just throw out the whole legal system we follow in this country and allow lynch mobs to rule the streets. he may have used his money and position to get out of having to face justice, but he is not the only one to ever do that.

How many conservative politicians have committed crimes, including murder, and have gotten away with it? You would be 100% lying if you said none.

It is way too easy to make fun of Bush since he is obviously not very bright and is a horrible president. But that is not all that I am talking about here. if someone goes and says anything negative about Bush, and that is a whole lot that can be said, then conservatives go and try to defend the guy as if he were he second coming (Which I personally believe he and many conservatives really believe him to be). If I do a post here that is being mild in going after Bush with a slight amount of obvious humor, it is taken seriously by many conservative and I am called mean or told that I am upset because Bush won and Kerry didn't. Those people need to lighten up and not get upset if someone does not like Bush.

The conservatives have reduced all of Clinton's wrong doings to the Monica thing. Everything else gets forgotten and the impeachment trials were all based off of that one incident. Clinton got attacked more by conservatives for getting a blowjob than for anything else that happened. Of all the things to dwell on or to waste our taxes on. A whole lot of money went into trying to bring Clinton down over that one event, just because they wanted to bring Clinton down.

Are you also trying to claim here that Bush has nothing to hide? Or that all the conservatives in power right now are squeaky clean? Are you really naive enough to believe that?

Sorry, but for all that Clinton may or may not have done, Bush has about the same kind of record going right now. It is just that during Clinton's terms things got accomplished and it looked like we were heading in the right direction, while with Bush running things we are going down the toilet. Also, Clinton did not start up a war that has done nothing but cause more problems for this country and the world itself just because he wanted to.

posted by kooka_lives on July 13, 2006 at 3:46 PM | link to this | reply

"We keep bringing up that old thing?"

Ted Kennedy killed someone, it isn't like we're continually dragging up mildly embarassing incidents from his college days.

I don't care if people make fun of George Bush. Most of them just aren't funny. I've probably heard 1000 Bush jokes and cartoons, but they're all the same 3 things repeated over and over. How many dumb jokes can you listen to? And how dumb would that make Kerry, since Bush's test scores were better than his?

Your view on Clinton is also missing the point. He didn't just get his sausage smoked in the oval office, you're overlooking Chinagate; using the Lincoln bedroom to make money on the side; using intelligence services to give him files on political opponents; Whitewater; the suspicious death of Vince Foster; and on and on. Reducing all Clinton's wrongdoing to splooge on a blue dress is like saying Watergate was about violating the fire code by propping a hotel room door open.

posted by AaronB on July 13, 2006 at 7:48 AM | link to this | reply

sarooster

You really are proud of just how bad the right is screwing up this country aren't you?

As for the Ted Kennedy thing, how long ago did that all happen? It is amazing at how childish you conservatives can be. I do not defend the guy for what it looks like he did, but at this point it only shows how little the right has to go on in attacking the left when they have to keep dragging that same thing out time and time again.

You make yourself your own joke and you don't even see it.

And will you be laughing in a few months when the left takes back both houses? Or in 2008 when we get a liberal back in office so someone can start fixing all the problems little man Bush has created?

posted by kooka_lives on July 12, 2006 at 6:37 PM | link to this | reply

As long as the liberals have been in second place in the US, and

remember second place is LAST place here, I have been laughing and having a great time. I couldn't be more happy, and humored, about the left going bonkers about not being in power. If you want to see no sense of humor just watch Old Chuckie Schumer, Ted "Did she really drown" Kennedy, and some of the other luminaries on the left. I get a laugh just watching them.

posted by sarooster on July 12, 2006 at 6:14 PM | link to this | reply