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JanesOpinion
That's one of the reasons I come and read all of you guys/gals posts and comment, and don't start many of my own in this area. I'd lose my temper way too quickly
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on July 12, 2006 at 11:33 AM
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Ahhhhh, what a "sunny" disposition you seem to have.
Yes Sunnybeach7, civility is a wonderful quality for any discussion to have. It has been my goal; however, when I feel I've been wrongfully accused, or my blog not fully read, or my sentiments misinterpreted, I have trouble rolling over and playing dead, or at the very least not responding -- even though some would wish that of me.
Nice chatting with you.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on July 12, 2006 at 11:31 AM
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JanesOpinion
I can't speak for gome's comments here and there, as I don't follow him around.
But he is a good guy at heart, and would like to see the best for "everyone" in today's society, as would I.
As for myself. I try to keep a calm debate. People are more likely to listen to your points if you can discuss things civily. And I believe that most people deep down are good at heart.
I can't say however that I don't get heated every once in a while. I'm human, and things get to me sometimes
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on July 12, 2006 at 11:11 AM
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Sunnybeach7, thanks for your balanced comments.
I certainly cannot say the same for the writer of this post but hey! I appreciate reading your thoughts and opinions.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on July 12, 2006 at 11:02 AM
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JanesOpinion
If we lived in an ideal world, we may be able to expect that. But we dont.
I can teach my kids acceptance, and you can teach yours, but lets face it, a good bit of parents don't even care enough about where their kids are or what they're doing, and you seriously think they will teach them acceptance. This is why it needs to be taught. And at an age where it is understandable.
As a victim of harassment in school from about everything from the way I walked, the way I talked, my height, etc. I can say that anything that helps kids with acceptance on any level is a good thing.
You wouldn't want your own kids singled out and abused, for any reason.
All kids should feel comfortable when they go to school. That promotes learning, not hinders it.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on July 12, 2006 at 10:53 AM
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OFFBEATS - I have to agree, it is sad that this debate still rages on
As far as sex education in schools; I also have to agree that there is a valid argument for it to be removed from the schools, or at least portions of it. The subject of gay acceptance is however a bit different than simple sex education and covers a number of different facets that have to do with education itself and factors outside of the classroom. The single biggest outside factor being liability. It's sad but true, that the threat of a potential lawsuit can affect what is being taught in the classroom but in this issue, again things are a bit different. The intention of teaching gay acceptance is a worthy motive. The idea is to create an environment within the school system where everyone can feel comfortable within the educational environment and eventually society. The subject itself may be about sex but the significance is substantially greater and far more encompassing.
posted by
gomedome
on July 12, 2006 at 7:43 AM
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Gome
I don't understand why in the year 2006 we are still beating this subject. As a society we really haven't made much gain if we're still debating it. I believe people are born gay, like I was born straight. I don't see why it should be taught, but then again, I see no reason for the schools to teach our children sex of any kind. I think the parents should teach their children about such matters.Tolerance should and could be taught by history. I also believe gay,lesbian marriage should be acknowledged and accepted and I don't understand why people are so threatened by that. Sad!
posted by
Offy
on July 12, 2006 at 7:21 AM
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mysteria -- I'm always afraid of that word
posted by
gomedome
on July 12, 2006 at 6:57 AM
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strat - I think back on those years and remember the concern of
being accepted by my peers, as the single most important thing to me.
I cannot imagine what it would have been like to have my entire high school treating me as an outcast. For a 15 year old to be in that situation has to be tough.
posted by
gomedome
on July 12, 2006 at 6:56 AM
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Xeno-x - that really is the bottom line
It is all about education of our children in an effort to make this world liveable for everyone. 4-5% of the population of this planet, by all indications, has always been gay throughout history. There has to come a time when the majority simply accepts this fact and acknowledges the rights of the gay minority.
posted by
gomedome
on July 12, 2006 at 6:48 AM
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You know, I guess it's easy to jump to a conclusion
that the kid was imbalanced. I suppose after awhile one forgets what a jungle high school can be. If you're popular, or get along, no worries. But if you're that guy everyone meses with, well, I suppose it would take some serious chutzpah to get through that miserable experience without too much damage.
And every school has one or two. Thinking back, I can remember a couple of kids everyone messed with, for no apparent reason.
posted by
strat
on July 12, 2006 at 6:43 AM
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JanesOpinion - I'm flattered that you expected something better from me
I cannot say the same about you. As you have demonstrated for us many times, you have a bigoted perspective towards the gay community. You are happy to proliferate all of the misinformation that groups such as "Focus on the Family" manufacture to suit their/your religiously motivated agenda. It really is a shame that there are real people affected aversely by your promotion of intolerance. If there were not, the efforts of people such as yourself to reconcile all of your misinformation, lies and ignorance about the gay community with reality, would be a comedy.
posted by
gomedome
on July 12, 2006 at 6:42 AM
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strat - that is correct - the teenager was not gay
There was no indication that the teenager was imbalanced, though we will never know for sure. He simply could not handle everyone in his high school believing that he was gay as a result of a rumour started by the group that was constantly harrassing and bullying him.
posted by
gomedome
on July 12, 2006 at 6:25 AM
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true
we should be educating children that muchof what is said against gays is no valid. When all they get is the biased opinions of their parents and others around them, then we do have a problem.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 12, 2006 at 6:20 AM
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This is such madness.
You obviously completely missed out on the message of my posts, had your own agenda going on, and had even NO intention of understanding. Yet you have the audacity to talk about a subject being beyond the comprehension of certain bloggers.
Enjoy your arrogant, insufferable righteous pedestal but be careful. People have a tendency to fall off such things.
Regarding the story of the not gay teen. Did you EVEN read my post? The part that talked about parents teaching teens to reach out in kindness to other teens? Huh? Likely not. Again, you had an agenda and are wearing a full set of blinders.
Gomedome, I expected something better from you.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on July 12, 2006 at 6:19 AM
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Sunnybeach7 - that is exactly what they are doing - hiding behind a book
and using it as a cheap justification for words and actions that they cannot reconcile with reality in any other manner. There are a number of other things that escape these people as well. They seem incapable of grasping that the promotion of tolerance towards others benefits them as well. The demographics are changing, the days of a Christian majority running roughshod over all other groups are quickly becoming a thing of the past. The ironic part of all this is that: the very changes in legislation and societal attitudes that these people are bleeting about as ruining the country, will be the very things that they will depend on to protect them from the type of discrimination they so callously practice and endorse towards others.
posted by
gomedome
on July 12, 2006 at 6:12 AM
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Let me get this straight, no pun intended.
This poor kid was bullied by gay bashing taunts, and wasn't even gay?
That's a lot of bad karma going on there. The poor guy was obviously unhinged, anyway, but for such to be tolerated, and by tolerance, implicitly encouraged, is pretty well criminal in my book.
Once again, people are born that way. They do not choose this way of life. And this is a stark example of why 99.9 percent of the time no one would deliberately choose to be that way.
And it doesn't help that some folks out there want to "love the sinner but not the sin." What sin?
posted by
strat
on July 12, 2006 at 6:06 AM
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Now THAT'S Righteous....
posted by
mysteria
on July 11, 2006 at 11:45 PM
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good try gome
But you can count on the fact that most of them will not be ashamed of their thoughts or actions. They can hide behind their book, and say that "God" says it's so.
I won't mention any names, though I'm sure you've likely seen already, one comment on another post that really got me was when someone had said something along the lines of... they take Jesus out of the schools and put this stuff in. Then it went on to say how they and their children and their childrens children didn't want any part of this.
That's truely devistating. I'm not sure how someone can say something like that and claim they even have a CLUE as to what Jesus was teaching.
If they want Jesus in the school so badly, why oppose something that is a step forward in teaching children about unconditional love?
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on July 11, 2006 at 11:15 PM
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