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TVBlogger - you can see by some of the comment that I have had that
some people are not aware of this.
Nor are they aware of the fact that some people look at this symbol as morbid. I remember a native boy at 11 years old asking the mother superior "who would want to end up like that guy?". She of course had no answer.
posted by
gomedome
on July 8, 2006 at 6:53 PM
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Have you been to churches in Mexico?
They make our crucifixes look almost pleasant. I was raised protestant and there was no Christ nailed to our crosses. Our view was that he conquered the cross and there's no need to show him still hanging there. I find the Catholic version disturbing and found it even more so in churches in Mexico because of their graphic nature.
posted by
TVBlogger
on July 8, 2006 at 6:11 PM
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franciscan - why do you keep leaving this spun drivel as comments here?
This is just hogwash: "When it's seen by Christian children it's a maneageable sight because the kids have been educated by their parents about it." . . .I can tell that you were not brought up as a catholic and do you know how I can tell? It is because you can say such things and mean it. Manageable? Give me a break, you must not be aware of the St. John de Baptiste public parades held in may parts of the world and that's just for starters. But then you come up with this nonsense:
"As for the main meat of your post, millions or hundreds of thousands [whatever history accounts you want to believe] in the first three hundred years of the Church that Jesus started gave their lives for the One who shares the same essence as His Father. You don't give your life for something unless you believe in it. So many who died for Jesus is a great testimony to Him. No one dies for a myth. Who would want to. No one dies for a lie. You die for someone when you know that person is the real deal."
Well actually countless people have died for a lie in history, ignorance has that effect on people. The numbers of those who have died for Jesus is more a testimony to human nature than anything else. It in no way adds credence to Jesus himself but sure says a lot about his followers.
posted by
gomedome
on July 8, 2006 at 12:44 PM
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gomedome,
Give us the data that shows that children are adversely affected by the depiction of Jesus Almighty on the cross. Most of the time for most people a crucifix isn't seen. When it's seen by Christian children it's a maneageable sight because the kids have been educated by their parents about it.
As for the main meat of your post, millions or hundreds of thousands [whatever history accounts you want to believe] in the first three hundred years of the Church that Jesus started gave their lives for the One who shares the same essence as His Father. You don't give your life for something unless you believe in it. So many who died for Jesus is a great testimony to Him. No one dies for a myth. Who would want to. No one dies for a lie. You die for someone when you know that person is the real deal.
Only Buddha and Jesus had followers who asked not 'who are you?', but 'WHAT are you?' Buddha said I'm not the light. Jesus said I AM the light. He also said I am the son of the Father.And, I am the way, the truth and the life. The most influential person in history was either a liar a lunatic or he was who he said he was.
posted by
franciscan
on July 8, 2006 at 12:32 PM
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Hey, I like you today.
posted by
CunningLinguist
on July 8, 2006 at 12:23 PM
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Melody -I can't believe I did that, I missed a phrase in your first comment
I see now where you said "Maybe........" oops, sorry. Now I see you point and yes I agree.
posted by
gomedome
on July 8, 2006 at 12:21 PM
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Gome
You misunderstood me ... Google "Divine Mercy"
posted by
CunningLinguist
on July 8, 2006 at 12:18 PM
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SuccessWarrior -- this might be a cart before the egg question
Or is that a horse before the chicken?
In any event, is it possible that there is a link between a violent society and the domination of that society by a religion that has so many violent examples of retribution within it's religious tenets?
posted by
gomedome
on July 8, 2006 at 12:17 PM
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Melody - the image is the crucifix - a dead guy nailed to some boards
that is a scary image.
We have been desensitized to how horrific this image is by first; it's proliferation and by it's presentation as a fundamental element of God's mercy. Now imagine how this image is viewed by those outside of the message of divine mercy. Children of other religions for example.
posted by
gomedome
on July 8, 2006 at 12:13 PM
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Gome
The Divine Mercy Image is scary? I don't follow....
posted by
CunningLinguist
on July 8, 2006 at 12:02 PM
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Melody - it is anything but "...a beautiful image"
You are melding the message (divine mercy) with the image which actually illustrates my point. Take away the message and what is left?
posted by
gomedome
on July 8, 2006 at 11:59 AM
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No, no, gome, it's the video games that accusom kids to violence.
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on July 8, 2006 at 11:55 AM
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I was thinking along these lines yesterday, have you noticed most children's tales have fierce nemesis? Little Red Riding Hood, the Wolf swallows granny; Cinderella's Stepfamily abuses her; Snow White..., etc., even the Little Mermaid... As to Christ crucified, maybe the image of the Divine Mercy is more suitable to show to a child. It's a beautiful image.
I'm thirsty. I'm still not eligible to go to heaven, huh? Melody
posted by
CunningLinguist
on July 8, 2006 at 11:54 AM
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