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crimes are crimes and violence is disgusting
i have really not said anyting differently.
violence will not solve anything, never did --will only give rise to more violence.
but if we don't get our damn heads out of the sand and see the real reason for the violence we will not be able to end it. it will go on.
as i said, violence only breeds more violence. Our country's reaction to terrorism will not end terrorism.
The U.S. absolutely must address the issue of Israel's occupation of Palestine, with consideration toward the Arab neighbors who basically object to such.
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 22, 2006 at 4:19 PM
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ariel,
I knew you would share my position, as well as the disgust with which I regard those people! And I have absolutely no understanding for the likes of Xeno, who feels compelled to defend these crimes...
posted by
Nautikos
on August 15, 2006 at 7:28 PM
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Nautikos
Crying in aid particular historical events to support current arguments is of only limited value ; and is more often than not a prop for a shaky position. And in the current Middle East crisis it has degenerated into a futile and pointless peeing match ; my atrocity list is bigger than yours. Yah boo sucks!
Of course we can draw parallels from history, and learnits lessons, but we don't live in historical times ; we live in the here and now, with its here and now problems for us to solve.
What you cite in your post is no one-off abberation but ani ntegral part of the doctrine of Islam, reports of which I read regularly. Oh, but of course, these are merely Jewish propaganda, so we can dismiss them out of hand.
Poisoning children's minds in a political cause is unforgivable ; to do so in the name of religion is an abomination.
And if anyone is interested, I have written these identical words in a series of articles about the Chriatian Spanish Inquisition
posted by
ariel70
on August 15, 2006 at 2:02 PM
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LC,
Thanks for your comment! I'm glad to see that at least a few people see this as important, but I am surprised
how few. I see all these people on Blogit weighing in against
Christianity, but they don't seem to mind this medieval, vicious form of militant Islam...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 12, 2006 at 6:47 PM
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Another day, another great blog!
Naut, again this is probably the most valuable information on blogit. You can tell from the reaction how much truth hurts, and this truth is getting scarce in the mass media. Great work.
L.C.
posted by
LeRoyCoyote
on July 12, 2006 at 2:19 PM
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Xeno,
well, you're finally getting the point, so there's hope for you yet,
. Regarding the info on Itamar Marcus: is he biased? Yes. Is Felton biased? Yes. Is the info in the article I posted the product merely of someone's fertile imagination? Definitely not!
posted by
Nautikos
on July 11, 2006 at 5:00 AM
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here's a little something about your author
Itamar Marcus
click here for information
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 10, 2006 at 2:23 PM
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what yo have said is true
however, the Israelis have done a lot to turn children into terrorists -- when they are impacted by violence every day.
this new round of violence by the Israelis has generated a new generation of young opposition.
still - you cannot be blind to history.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 10, 2006 at 11:50 AM
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Xeno,
as I have told you before, I do not need history lessons from you. But that you keep prattling on about history shows that you just don't get it into your thick head that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, NO HISTORICAL EVENTS, NO PAST OR PRESENT 'WRONGS' OR 'INJUSTICES' OR WHATEVER, JUSTIFIES ROBBING CHILDREN OF THEIR CHILDHOOD AND TURNING THEM INTO SUICIDE BOMBERS! That's what my post was about! But if you think history does justify such a thing, let me remind you that, among others, Hitler justified the extermination of European Jewry not just by his ideas on race but also by pointing to history! And if you
still think it does, tell us plainly, so that we can all admire you...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 10, 2006 at 6:28 AM
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Jews' land?
Jews hadn't been allowed to settle in their homeland -- after the Roman wars -- they weren't allowed to set foot on the temple grounds -- then Christians wouldn't let them in Jerusalem. Then around 700, Moslem Arabs settled the land. Jews hadn't been in control for 1250 years or thereabouts.
and Jews never had control of the whole land anyway. Jews are just a small segment (less than a third) of the original tribes of Israel. Judah, Simeon and part of the Levites (per biblical account) comprised the southern territory of Judah after the breakup -- the other ten (the "lost ten tribes, remember?) tribes occupied the bulk of the land, called Samaria, which was conquered by Assyria.
Funny thing, Samaritans occupied the northern area n the highland north of Judea in Jesus time. They still do. If you want to base on continuous occupation, then maybe the Samaritans hold better claim to the land than do the Jews.
To give the Jews their true "homeland", all they would really be entitled to is from around Jerusalem south.
like this:
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 9, 2006 at 3:54 PM
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i state facts
and that's how ou respond
instead of responding with unsubstantiated conclusions or certain descriptive phrases, why don't you respond with facts.
then you would be a hell of a lot more credible.
I bring up the history of the treatment of Jews at the hands of Moslems and Christians -- history that is absolutely true -- and you won't accept it.
If you cannot accept the truth -- when you are just about the only people blind to what has actually happened, then how can you believe that anyone can accept what you say as valid.
It is not valid.
I really fear for a world and a nation if your blind and invalid views ever prevail.
Again, I see this post as totally biased, without substance, and totally uninformed. And many others here do, too. IN fact, youir biased statements have been refuted time and time again by several people here on Blogit.
A religion, a reaction to the world, based on blind bias only results in disaster. And the blood of the disaster is on your hands.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 9, 2006 at 3:34 PM
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Justi,
thanks again. Maybe you're right in that Xeno serves a purpose, though I for one find him tedious in the extreme...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 8, 2006 at 7:17 PM
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Nautikos
Again this is a great post. Thanks for your permission to copy. You have some excellent and some telling comments as well. X serves to stir out the truth of any post he can. Muser is correct. There is such a history it makes all of the situation understandable and is deep and layer upon layer can be studied. Janes too is talking about a truth, we as Christians are bound to bless Jews. This history of that part is this. Those who bless my people I will bless and those who curse my people I will curse. It is exceptionally interesting.
posted by
Justi
on July 8, 2006 at 4:08 PM
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Jane,
thanks for your comment! As far as Xeno is concerned - well, he is displaying his usual lack of knowledge and understanding...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 8, 2006 at 3:57 PM
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Nautikos, first of all, that was an excellent article.
Thanks for sharing!
Secondly, in response to Xenox's totally assinine comment where he states that "moslems are not antisemitic, christians are more than moslems" -- I wanted to vomit the contents of my stomach. What a total and complete farse that is. If it were not for the Christian element of American gov, we would not be supporting Israel the way we do. As well, Xenox must be entirely clueless as to all the Christian organizations that exist solely to support Jews. I am a member of the International Federation of Christians and Jews, and the basis of this group is essentially one of (mostly) Christians (as well as some Jews) giving millions in support of Jews.
Regarding the supposed takeover of Israel by Jews -- hello! This was their land first.
Xenox lives with his head in the sand.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on July 8, 2006 at 11:03 AM
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Cringe,
thanks for dropping in and for your question, which I take seriously, as I think we all must.
I can think of only one historical parallel when, in 1945, Hitler ordered Hitler Youth units to the front to fight against the Red Army that was laying siege to Berlin. Many of these kids (and they were kids, in their early, mid- and late teens), having been thoroughly indoctrinated for years, fought valiently, and died. They didn't have a chance, nor could they possibly have known better, unlike their elders...
And unless there is a fundamental shift in Palestinian and Arab policies, and unless the Arabs themselves defeat the rise of a militant Islam, which is acquiring a medieval ferocity, these kids also won't have a chance. But in doing what they have come to believe they must do, they will also destroy many others...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 7, 2006 at 7:56 PM
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Slightly off topic, but when I was growing up we without
no pressure, or no particular emphasis or maintenance were directed as children to support a particular politician, much the same as you would support a school team.
Said politician, years later fleeced the country and was connected with gun running, and recently passed away with substantial wealth and a state funeral at the country's cost.
This in a relatively enlightened environment?
What hope do these children have?
posted by
Cringe
on July 7, 2006 at 4:02 PM
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Corbin,
thanks, I'm glad that a few people are recognizing what's happening here...Now, do I have any
realistic answers? No!
posted by
Nautikos
on July 7, 2006 at 3:54 PM
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Justi,
thanks for the comment, and if you want to copy this, by all means, go ahead!
posted by
Nautikos
on July 7, 2006 at 3:49 PM
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Naut..........
Thanks for the info......it backs up what so many of us have been trying to say for some time now........
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on July 7, 2006 at 3:22 PM
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Naut
This is an excellent post. It is informative and those who do not want to see the truth are simply making a choice not to see the truth. This is vile! Do you mind if I copy this?
posted by
Justi
on July 7, 2006 at 3:20 PM
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VickieJean,
it is, in a ghastly kind of way!
posted by
Nautikos
on July 6, 2006 at 11:06 AM
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Wiley,
yes, at least those who are doing that to the children...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 6, 2006 at 11:05 AM
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fascinating!
posted by
VickieJean
on July 6, 2006 at 10:43 AM
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fascinating!
posted by
VickieJean
on July 6, 2006 at 10:43 AM
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Nautikos
Seems to me we ought to make it our duty to get the Hell's Angels to transport 'em all to Shahada.
posted by
WileyJohn
on July 6, 2006 at 6:40 AM
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Muser,
thanks for the visit and the comment. I must confess, though, that my knowledge of the relationships between Biblical personalities is rather shaky...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 6, 2006 at 5:42 AM
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Xeno,
this is an article about the indoctrination and recruitment of
children! These people are turning
children into
suicide bombers, and you ramble on fatuously as always!
You want to give
me a history lesson? But thanks for the click!
posted by
Nautikos
on July 6, 2006 at 5:18 AM
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I am amazed that one can see something with his/her own eyes, and then
prefer to be blind. The animosity between the Muslims and the Jews began with the jealousy, and then hatred between Haggar and Sarah...and has continued to this day. One of the best commentaries I have read was on Hal Lindsey's website, www.hallindseyoracle.com
posted by
muser
on July 5, 2006 at 9:04 PM
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first, moslems are not anti semitic
christians are more than moslems
moslems allowed jews aback into jerusalem when they took over from christians and built the mosque of the dome of the rock for jewish rituals
jews enjoyed freedom in spain under moslems until christian ferdinand and isabella conquered then the inquisition
moslems are incensed over jewish takeover of what once was their land and the moving and relocating and uprooting of native palestinians who had lived there for generations.
jews spawned this hatred by their settlements
jews are good people -- i had a jewish uncle and married a jew -- but certain actions, and particularly some of those supported by christians who think that a temple has to be built for the second comng -- are exacerbating an already overcharged situation.
you rhetoric only adds fuel to the fire.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 5, 2006 at 7:36 PM
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