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Xeno-x - that's an important point
I even find myself falling into that trap but in this case, when speaking of the Big Bang Theory, the caveate "theory" is right in the subject title. Mind you, many people do not understand what a scientific theory is. Most folks believe something simply if it is repeated enough times.
posted by
gomedome
on July 6, 2006 at 7:24 AM
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everything is conjecture
what actually happened is unknown and will remain so
but coming from Einstein's eternity of matter and energy we should conclude that matter was in some form before the Big Bang and has existed infinitely before that point.
nothingness has always beenout ther ei guess -- but then again maybe not.
lots of conjecture and to make certain statements as if they are fact, as some scientists do, doesn't help people come to even a small understanding of the Universe.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 6, 2006 at 6:18 AM
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JanesOpinion - he may of said that but he would have been in error if
speaking about the Big Bang Theory.
The Big Bang theory contends that the event referred to as the Big Bang (terrible name for hyper-expansion) actually created space. I should interject at this point, that I find some elements of the Big Bang theory as inadequate in explaining our origins as I do creation by a conscious being. Both ideas have gaping holes.
posted by
gomedome
on July 5, 2006 at 7:37 PM
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Xeno-x -- I actually spent the evening reading about this stuff
My brain hurts now.
I can see why those who are predisposed to accrediting everything to God keep saying this is all BS. There is an ever widening chasm between where scientific theory has taken this and what your avergae person can understand.
posted by
gomedome
on July 5, 2006 at 7:33 PM
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Golly, but you guys make it all so difficult.
Wasn't it Sagan who stated that the cosmos has always been present? Eternally present and without a Creator. There's your answer. Now that wasn't so hard, was it?
Or better yet, perhaps the whole thing was started by Thetans who simply thought matter into being and voila -- reality happens. Of course, not being a scientologist myself, I find this second paragraph to be just a touch dubious, but if one is enamored by science fiction, then I would suppose one could delude oneself into thinking this is a viable explanation.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on July 5, 2006 at 7:25 PM
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Einstein built upon the principle
of "eternity of matter" -- We should look into that principle to see who edeveloped it.
basic principle: matter cannot be destroyed -- matter is constant.
Einstein appended it to basically, The Law of the Preservation of Matter and Energy. There is no eternity of matter in this - matter just becomes energy -- atom bomb tests demonstrated this -- or nuclear fisson -- somebody's gotta check on this -- but the scientists discovered that a small of matter had indeed disappeared, thus the energy of the nuclear fission -- this is just a skeletal statement of it -- just look it up.
but -- I've said it before here -- the best can only conjecture as to what did indeed occur -- that point of matter from which the Big Bang hypothetically came -- The Singularity -- could have existed for eternity -- The Laws mentioned would presuppose that. or it might not have been a singularity -- no one knows -- so we cannot conjecture that that singulairy was "created" because we don't really know the state of matter back then.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 5, 2006 at 7:03 PM
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franciscan - okay, say for a minute that we must accept the nothingness
argument.
Even if the concession is made that the solitary particle of hyper condensed matter was "created" by a being of some sort, that would be the extent of his creation abilities. All other characteristics that have been added to this being are irrellevent speculation.
posted by
gomedome
on July 5, 2006 at 6:40 PM
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Gomedome,
The origin of one particle of hyper condensed matter. When has something ever come from nothing?
Why would it be extreme bias to think that God created it? Who else?
posted by
franciscan
on July 5, 2006 at 6:33 PM
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franciscan -- I never expect anything intelligent from you so I'm never
dissapointed in your comments.
Nor do I expect those who are being humored to always recognize when they are being humored. There is really only one valid point being made in this post and for your benefit I'll explain it. There is nothing at all connecting the appearance of the first particle of hyper condensed matter, as proposed by The Big Bang Theory and a creator being as traditionally defined. It does not matter how many people you can find that believe that there is a connection somehow. If it is viewed outside of mankind's usual wishful thinking pertaining to the existence of the omnipotent creator, there is only the unexplained appearance of one particle of hyper condensed matter. Introducing God as the sole possibility of creating this particle is not only an extreme bias that taints the discovery process, it is in reality a contention abstract to the theory.
posted by
gomedome
on July 5, 2006 at 5:25 PM
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The Prodigal son
"So some being or some thing may have created the first particle of matter". Slaughter the fatted calf, bloggerites! I see a prodigal, puck slapping brother on the horizon!
God's shadow is light and tonight a northern country may be awash in it!
posted by
franciscan
on July 5, 2006 at 5:14 PM
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