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gomedome
I am proud of you too. GrowGrowGrow the whole world is changing...
posted by
mysteria
on June 24, 2006 at 11:42 AM
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gomedome
Also, if they spent half the time the spend finding ways to critisize others, into making the world a better and more peaceful place, think of all the beauty and love we may have surrounding us.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on June 20, 2006 at 11:20 PM
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gomedome
And even though they can say that homosexuals have no part in "family life", and many may think that way, because they can not reproduce. Who's to say that if homosexuals were allowed to marry, and adopt...we may be able to save a lot of the world's children from living lives in horrible circumstances.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on June 20, 2006 at 11:17 PM
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Sunnybeach7- in reading some of the sources that redwood supplied
one thing becomes painfully clear.
A lot of trouble and effort has been expended to prove a worthless point. And all of this by religiously motivated groups with names such as "Family Research Council" or "The Life Site" claiming to have a focus on preserving the family unit in our society. The connection between homosexuals and family life is tenuous at best but still, what is the point of this type of research? So homosexuals have a shorter lifespan on average, so do smokers and drinkers but I did not see one disparaging word written about either of these groups. It astounds me that a religious belief can compell groups of people to disparage another group in this manner and all of this under the guise of preserving the family from a group that is number one in divorce rates of all identifyable groups on this planet (that's a fact) . . what a bunch of backwards clowns.
posted by
gomedome
on June 20, 2006 at 11:10 PM
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redwood
I wonder why "homosexuality is not condusive to good public health" ?
I'm sure it couldn't be because of the stress from the predjuduce held against them their entire life, could it?
Maybe if we locked you and a few others like you away somewhere, where thousands of people can daily insult you, beat you, call you a freak, etc. Maybe years from now we could test the life expectancy of your small group?
I can't believe you people actually allow yourselves to believe this crap.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on June 20, 2006 at 8:54 PM
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So sad
Gay bashing -- Race bashing -- Immigrant Bashing -- Religious bashing -- and the list goes on. We transform to bullies and form cliques, feeding hostility and sinking to a bashing frenzy. Sadly, at one point or another we've been the basher and the bashee. My heart goes out to the homosexuals and all those who suffer the wrath of the bashing tongue. As always, best regards,
Melody
posted by
CunningLinguist
on June 20, 2006 at 8:12 PM
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Talion - I feel the same way
Young and old, the arguments all seem to be based on two premises. The words in the bible and their own inherent heterosexual prejudices.
posted by
gomedome
on June 20, 2006 at 5:59 PM
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gomedome
I've been following the recent series of posts and the comments. Man, I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
posted by
Talion
on June 20, 2006 at 5:56 PM
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redwood - please stop embarrasing yourself
You simply cannot whitewash the truth with religiously motivated bullshit. Yes, aids has reduced the average life expectancy of gay men, as any fatal disease sweeping through any demographic group would. Now you show studies which include two incredibly biased sources but as much as you think that you have proven your point, you have not. The average lifespan in our countries is around 78.6 years, an AID's affected demographic as taken from those highly agendized sources indicates a lifespan from 58-70 years of age. Now this is a bit different (as you concede) than 42. A study done recently here in Canada shows similar but not quite as dramatic results in pegging the average lifespan of a homosexual male at about 69. Now keep in mind that these again are averages skewed by an epidemic within the demographic but even with this influence, single, heterosexual males do not live much longer, having life expectancies of around 72 years of age. Are you suggesting that this small disparity should be addressed by stopping all homosexual activity and forcing all men to get married? Or is the 3 year difference enough to get single heterosexuals off of the hook? My point is that preventative health care is the only answer, not some campaign to demonstrate one group as being a menace to society.
Do yourself a favor in the future, don't use links from the pro-life nutcases such as Lifenet to try to prove anything and especially stay away from the bible thumpers such as Dr. Paul Cameron who are intent on driving homosexuality back into the closet. All of your sources present a religiously motivated perspective that shows us that religious folks can spin a whopper with the best of them.
posted by
gomedome
on June 20, 2006 at 5:24 PM
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In many parts of Africa, men have sex with other men,
with prostitutes, and as long as they still have sex with their wives, they still are not considered "gay". Aids is only a small part of the equation when it comes to the things that homosexuals are prone to. Besides, the article I pasted below is not just a product of my prejudices. Any responsible research will show that homosexuality is not condusive to good public health. Not in the United States, not in Canada, or Africa, or anywhere else
posted by
redwood
on June 20, 2006 at 4:08 PM
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redwood -- don't put a disease into the equation
part of the problem is ignoring of the epidemic by Reagan's govt in the early 80's, allowing the disease to spread. and we know why the bastard Reagan ignored the disease.
besides that, I can say with certainty that many gay men I've known are older than 42.
and, considering that AIDS is somewhat controlled now and life expectancies are longer, the statistics I would suppose would have to be changed.
I wonder about the life expectancy of mothers and children in Africa, where the disease is an epidemic of immense proportions. they aren't gay.
but again, you didn't answere gomedome's question.
posted by
Xeno-x
on June 20, 2006 at 3:57 PM
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YeS, 42 or 45 is an exaggeration
Yet Another Study Confirms Gay Life Expectancy 20 Years Shorter
WASHINGTON, DC, June 6, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A new study which analyzed tens of thousands of gay obituaries and compared them with AIDS deaths data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), has shown that the life expectancy for homosexuals is about twenty years shorter than that of the general public. The study, entitled “Gay obituaries closely track officially reported deaths from AIDS”, has been published in Psychological Reports (2005;96:693-697).
In an interview with lifesitenews.com, Dr. Paul Cameron, the President of the Family Research Institute and the scientist who headed the study, indicated that he was not at all surprised by the findings. Rather he said that it only served as further confirmation for what had long been known and other studies have already shown.
One such study was conducted in Vancouver British Columbia and published in 1997 in the International Journal of Epidemiology (Vol. 26, 657-61: http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/26/3/657). It almost exactly mirrors the findings of Cameron’s research.
The Vancouver study was conducted by a team of pro-gay researchers, who, upon finding that pro-family advocates were using the results of their research as confirmation for their beliefs about the risks of the homosexual lifestyle, issued a statement trying to curb this unintended after-effect. “The aim of our work,” said the research team, “was to assist health planners with the means of estimating the impact of HIV infection on groups, like gay and bisexual men, not necessarily captured by vital statistics data and not to hinder the rights of these groups worldwide. Overall, we do not condone the use of our research in a manner that restricts the political or human rights of gay and bisexual men or any other group.”
Despite their attempts to downplay the practical consequences of their research, it is difficult to ignore that the study concluded with the statement that “under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre [Vancouver, BC] are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871.” Corresponding almost exactly with Cameron’s study, the Vancouver study indicated that “life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men.”
Dr. Cameron indicated that he hoped the sobering results of the new study, in addition to such similar past studies, would finally cause a “reexamination”, saying that “our society needs to reassess what it’s doing with those who engage in homosexuality.”
The schools, he said, are doing a fine job educating children about dangerous activities such as smoking and the use of illegal drugs. But they are increasingly teaching that homosexuality is the same as heterosexual behaviour. “It certainly isn’t,” said Cameron. “Here we have homosexual activity, which, literally, is much worse than smoking,” and yet the schools continue to teach that it is normative and safe behaviour.
Cameron dismissed accusations of bias on account of his pro-life, pro-family beliefs, indicating that if the scientific objectivity of his research methods as well as the correspondence with the results of other similar studies isn’t evidence enough, his selection by the highly prestigious British medical journal and the Canadian medical association journal as a peer reviewer should serve as sufficient proof of his commitment to scientific integrity. “[The British and Canadian journals] wouldn’t even think of using someone that they didn’t think was both skilled and fair at analyzing and recommending which articles ought to be published” said the doctor.
See related articles:
Physician Says Science of Medical Consequences of Homosexual Behaviour is Being Trumped by Political Agenda
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/sep/03092008.html
The Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS01B1
Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ a Health Risk Doctors Warn Parliamentarians
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/feb/05021709.html
Doctors Say Legalizing Same-Sex Marriage Will Give False Impression Gay Sex is Safe
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/feb/05021811.html
JJ
posted by
redwood
on June 20, 2006 at 3:34 PM
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redwood -- I did a quick bit of research on the life expectancy of
homosexuals.
My findings will be in an upcoming post but for now let me just suggest that you drop the contention of 42 years of age. It seems that the only source for it is a disgraced bureaucrat that also happens to be a right wing fundie. Go figure.
posted by
gomedome
on June 20, 2006 at 3:32 PM
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redwood - state your sources or spare us
Your arguments get weaker and weaker. Just admit that you have an inherent prejudice towards homosexuals and that you cannot put your finger on why you instinctively think it is wrong . . at least be honest about it.
posted by
gomedome
on June 20, 2006 at 3:14 PM
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If the facts and figures which I have read are correct.......
The average life expectancy for a homosexual male, in the United States is about 42 years. For females it is about 45 years. This is mostly dues to various and sundry types of illnesses. Perhaps this is due to the fact that the human body is not designed for homosexual activity. Perhaps something which is going to shorten your life span by 30 years would be a good thing to overcome. We all have things to overcome. Confession time; I have an overwhelming desire to go rob a bank. There is no off/on switch which I can push to keep me from wanting to rob a bank. It is hard to overcome anything.
posted by
redwood
on June 20, 2006 at 3:06 PM
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