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Kimlynn, to answer your questions.

Who are you...really?

I am me. that would be a hard working loving father, supportive and loving husband, a caring son and a good person all around. In fact I most likely am more aware of just who I am than you are

Who is the man?

Do I need to just repeat my last answer here? The person I am is the man I am.

Where is your heart?

I am guessing by that you mean where is my passion for life, my reason for living and so on. Well right now one of them is here in my office making a mess with my action figures and the other is out in the other room also making a mess with other pieces of my collections.

What are you doing in life, where are you going?

I am working towards my dreams and doing all I can to be the best father and husband possible. As for where I am going, hopefully to achieve my dreams. Lucky for me I am very happy with my life so that if I do not achieve my dreams, I will still be satisfied that my life was very much worth living.

Are you truly truly happy?

Yes, as happy as a person can ever hope to be. I have been told by many people that I am just generally happy.

If you are, then ok.

Does that mean you will stop bugging me?

posted by kooka_lives on June 20, 2006 at 4:59 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE

That is not humanity, those are individual humans doing those actions (Some in the name of God). Big difference.

Obviously you have no faith or understanding about humanity.

I have yet to see God do any of what you claim he does. It is good old Christian who turn off the heat in winter and evict people and so on. It was Christians who enslaved blacks. in fact God basically gave his blessing to slavery.

I already knew you were hatefilled, but I was unaware that it was actually for all humanity.

posted by kooka_lives on June 20, 2006 at 4:49 PM | link to this | reply

Kimlynn

You understand absolutely nothing about me.

First off, I enjoy life to the fullest and understand love perfectly, mostly because I do not believe in God. Seriously I have much less pride than most Christians I have met, so don't try that with me. In fact it seems like by you trying to go that route, you are showing yourself to have great level of pride. You believe your beliefs to be 100% absolutely true and all others to be wrong, because somehow you found the true beliefs while everyone else who does not believe as you do made a mistake, right there you are prideful beyond belief and much more so than I , who has openly admitted time and time again that all beliefs are flawed, including my own, showing that I understand that all beliefs have equal relevance.

Where the hell did you get the idea I am alone? I am far from being alone. You obviously read none of my others posts and are clearly lost as to when I talk about how my family is all the religion I need. I have two sons to follow in my footsteps (And you can not find a greater sense of love than what I feel for those two boys), I have lots and lots of love in my heart, I am greatly loved by many and I do not care if anyone hears my 'preaching'. Are you really one of those confused people who thinks that if someone does not share their beliefs then they are miserable and lost?

Satan is a fictional character, nothing more. Stop being afraid of shadows. Just as God is a fictional character. Go and read the Bible and that should be about as obvious as it gets.

You need to go back a little ways and read a few posts here. I know I just reposted the one called 'HOW ATHEISM SAVED ME FROM RUIN'. You really need to read that one. it sounds like I need to find a few more of my older one's to repost for you to read. I can promise you one thing, all the love and such you claim it can only be found through God, I have right now and have no need to believe in a fictional character to find.

posted by kooka_lives on June 20, 2006 at 4:41 PM | link to this | reply

kimlynn

Kooka is saved already.
you may now know that
but he is.
but it was by a different method than you espouse.

posted by Xeno-x on June 20, 2006 at 4:02 PM | link to this | reply

You all mistake me....

.....it wasn't out of a hateful spirit that I let myself go and speak to...your heart...but that's what you perceived isn't it? If you listen with the ears of your heart and not your mind, you will discern something different than what is common to you. I am able to judge pride itself, because it is a known enemy to man in general...and that is a discussion in itself, and not one that will, at this point, lead to anything but discussion. Discussion isn't the goal...and whether you judge that it was out of a hateful heart I spoke, well that's up to you, and it's also up to you to reason out whether my point blank statement here is honest or a lie....

You are right, the one who said...It's my own choice who I will serve. And if you say...You believers oppose me and I don't want to be bothered with your message of love and Salvation and forgiveness and mercy...then I suppose we are obliged to respect that. But the reason we don't give up on you, is the same reason that Christ died for you. And he did, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Love....loves you, despite yourself. It sees that there is a real man underneath all the reasonings of your mind that have determined to stand against the Love that wants so much to break down the walls fortified around your heart. It would be a beautiful thing to see you drop the pride of your mind that disallows the love of God to come in and expose the real man....we know there is a real heart in there somewhere....and God loves the man inside...and we do too. You were, as all of us, fearfully and wonderfully made....and I know this statement may blow your mind and cause an uprising...but I'll say it anyway....God is the one who loves you...not the "god of this age" who calls those who walk in the wide way to serve the very pride that made him fall as lightning from heaven.....pride is an enemy...it's the substance of the walls you have built around your heart....I know pride too...and what it has done to me....we all fight with it....yours truly is no exception. It will not allow the knees to bend, or the heart to escape the prison of darkness that cannot see what only spirit eyes can see.

The truth will set you free....free from a prison you don't even realize your in. Who are you...really? Who is the man? Where is your heart? What are you doing in life, where are you going? Are you truly truly happy? If you are, then ok.

See ya....sorry if I offended you, it's not my heart to do so....you are no less than I, no less signifigant, no less loved.

posted by Kimlynn on June 20, 2006 at 2:04 PM | link to this | reply

Kimlynn, NOPEACE, ETC.

you know that the second great commandment is "Love thy neighbor as thyself."

posted by Xeno-x on June 20, 2006 at 12:53 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE AND THE REST OF YOU - I HOPE THIS SETTLES IT

1Jo 4:20

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

1Jo 4:21

And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

PROBABLY NOT --

I see NOPEACE's comments tend to lean toward loving God instead of humans. -- and what does the scripture say?

posted by Xeno-x on June 20, 2006 at 12:52 PM | link to this | reply

It's humanity that turns off the heat of a family during the winter because they can't afford the bill.

It's humanity that evicts someone from their home when they can't afford to make the payments.

It's humanity that sends the sickly away sick because their insurance or lack their of does not pay the benefits because the doctor is not in the network.

It's humanity that downsizes a man with a wife and four kids out of a job after he has spent his entire life dedicating himself to the success of the company.

It's humanity that enslaved and lynched blacks for over 430 years.

It's humanity uses eminient domain to close a housing community to build a mall in the name of "economic development."

It was God who said, take no thought of what you shall eat or wear today because I will provide.

It was God who said, what so ever you shall ask in prayer believing in your heart, you will receive it.

It was God who said, I will be with you always, even to the end of the world

It was God who said, I'll stick closer to you than a brother.

But I guess humanity is more important than God. I'm sure only to those who don't know God.

posted by NOPEACE on June 20, 2006 at 10:14 AM | link to this | reply

Kimlynn -- you don't ascribe to the words of Jesus or Paul or John?

they all tell us that the way to demonstrate love of god and reverence for god is to love and revere those around us.

I believe anyone doing that is worshipping god

anyone who professes to know and worship god and love God and Jesus and then does not revere and love other people is a liar, as James and I John tell us.

your show me your faith without works and I'll show my faith by my works

those who seem most faithless are in fact more faithful than those who profess faithfulness.

posted by Xeno-x on June 20, 2006 at 7:12 AM | link to this | reply

I don't see the difference...

I think "God's will" would really be what was good for humanity, after all, he's supposed to have created us, we're "his baby" if you will, so he must want what's best for us. It's misguided for Christians to think there is a different agenda between the two...isn't it?

posted by DarrkeThoughts on June 20, 2006 at 7:04 AM | link to this | reply

Oh Kooka....

will you ever come to the knowledge of the truth? All your analysis are obviously from a mind that doesn't perceive the spirit of the word.....the idea that God is so great so we are nothing is a total misconception....God never ever gave such an idea. With all that you are getting out of the stand you are taking, you are missing what you think you are getting. The joy and excitement and wholeness and fullness of life, the beauty of who YOU were created to be, to become, to do, to have and achieve, and the riches of what your heart and mind could comprehend and the heighths your heart and mind could soar to, are all being sacrificed for the false joy of pride. And now you will likely say that the christians are attacking you again, but it's not to attqck you Kookoo...it's to say that I know there must be a real man behind all the nonsense...a man with a heart underneath it all...and will you ever surrender the pride and discover what Love sees that you can be? People are not the enemy....there's only one real enemy...and he is the enemy of even those that serve him. He decieves his own followers; he uses them up, offers them a standing, a pride, a false elevation, for doing his bidding, and then, when the man stands alone, without the ability anymore to enrich his pride by what he soaks from people....when he stands in front of God and Satan, and hears God say, I never knew you, and turns to the god he served, this god will laugh at him for serving him...and the man will stand in utter aloneness, no people to any longer hear him, or be able to come to his rescue, all his works burned up, and nothing is left in him but cinders. False pride may appear to support us now, in this life, but when we face the end alone...just us...no son by your side to follow in your footsteps, no people to hear your preaching, no love in your heart, no one to love you, what then?

You don't have to try to crush me for my words Kooka; I am leaving Blogit soon anyway, to pursue fully the Gold God has opened up to me for just the asking. I am not offended by anything you could say; not moved by all the entangling concoctions of a mind that builds endless styairways to nowhere. God loves you even in your dark estate, in your pride that will not bend when the truth is told, just as he loved those who did the same thing 2000 years ago, hanging on a cross of shame and ridicule...for people just like you, who have no idea what they are doing.

Your perseptions of all Christians are just perceptions of a mind that has not been enlightened to the truth of life. True Christians do not and cannot hate you Kooka; but rather wish for you to somehow break down the walls around your heart and let love come in. How happy can a man without love be? And love is a state of heart...not of a mind entangled in pride and anamosity. If you can just break that pride, and surrender....it's not weakness you will find...but strength...it's not the man who stands strong in the pride of his mind that experiences true life and love and joy and peace, and who is truly strong, but it's the man who is able to bend his knee, to give of himself for the sake of others, to recognize his human weakness and admit that he is imperfect, that might find himself possessed with true strength, with a revelation of true greatness. You cannot offend me Kooka, and I don't even care if you try, and I'm not trying to offend you....just to say, why don't you stop and break down the walls and open your heart and let love come in?