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Nautikos, if you have a Judeo-Christian heritage, then patiently and
prayerfully watch God as he works with His people Israel just as He has since 1948 and her rebirth as a nation, and you might be pleasant surprised at the true difference between belief and knowledge!
posted by
MountainClimber57
on July 18, 2006 at 10:07 PM
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Nautikos, thanks for getting back to me, and I'll look for your future post
posted by
Blanche.
on June 21, 2006 at 10:51 AM
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Rumored,
thanks for your comment. I must confess that I have never looked at your religious blog, since I usually stay away from any discussion of religious matters! As a matter of fact, I don't know why I got into this at all! Maybe the Devil made me do it...
posted by
Nautikos
on June 20, 2006 at 2:25 PM
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Wiley,
I really appreciate your comments! I think your attitude is in many ways similar to my own even though I am not a 'believer'...
posted by
Nautikos
on June 20, 2006 at 2:21 PM
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Blanche01,
thanks for your comments and especially your question, which definitely forces me to be more explicit. I won't do this as part of my answer to your comment, however, but in form of a second post on this issue. Not today, though, because of other pressing business!
posted by
Nautikos
on June 20, 2006 at 2:18 PM
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Nautikos, if you ever catch me preaching in my religious blog, tell me...
because that is not its purpose...share, yes, but preach, no...thanks for this post....:)
posted by
Rumor
on June 20, 2006 at 1:31 PM
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Nautikos
A marvelous post my friend. I am a man of faith from personal life experience.
I am not a man of the Bible even when I struggle to read it.
Nor am I a man of religion even as I partly follow one. I am not devout as my oldest daughter is wont to say every so often. I just go to be with people who are struggling with it all like me.
I loved this in your blog, this is exactly how I think and thank you for this.
"And why would you even want to attempt to destroy someone’s faith? Is it because your own lack of faith makes you so insecure that you need others to join you in your insecurity? And don’t you think it is terribly unkind to attack something that gives meaning to someone else’s life? "
I love thinking of the man Jesus and how wonderful it would be to get his views now on life, and listen to Him chastise us for screwing up His simple message to love one another.
I too have a knowledge of the Judeo/Christian reality of life because my spouse was of the Jewish heritage.
She used to say to me,
"So, aren't ya happy one of our boys made it to the top?" lol
Sorry for going on so long my friend.
posted by
WileyJohn
on June 19, 2006 at 8:51 PM
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this one confuses me, Nautikos
a statement of knowledge must be falsifiable, a statement of faith cannot be falsifiable.
I totally agree that the existence of God can neither be proven or disproven, that's why I stay out of discussions of that topic. They seem to go nowhere and end badly. What I believe, is based on my own experience, and that is hardly transmissible or admissible as evidence of the existence of God.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 19, 2006 at 7:20 PM
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Well said, Nautikos!
Faith and reason are not mutually exclusive, but, as you say, depend on different a priori premises. I am still trying to get my mind around your statement of "falsifiable" statements. I'll need to re-read it to get a better grasp.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 19, 2006 at 7:16 PM
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Justi,
thanks for your comments. I want to clarify one thing: I am
not saying that 'believers' are 'not intelligent' or 'uneducated'
because they are believers. That would mean, for example, that I would have to include St. Thomas Aquinas among the 'unintelligent and uneducated', which would be asinine. All I am saying is that many believers and many non-believers do not understand the distinction between knowledge and belief. And in case I haven't made it plain enough: I 'believe' that faith does not,
should not and
cannot require the justification of 'proof '.
posted by
Nautikos
on June 19, 2006 at 7:47 AM
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Naut
You did make it clear. You and I agree it does not require justification. I have a right to speak to believers on this forum Blogit about the Holy Bible and it's teachings. I am not trying to turn nonbelievers into believers; but turn believers into living a more abundant life. If that is preaching then nonbelievers may not want to attend services. I did not intend to accuse you of having meant all believers were ignorant, as there are both, just as there are both believing and non believing Scientists. Thank you.
posted by
Justi
on June 19, 2006 at 12:28 AM
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Naut
This is a good post. I think knowledge, documented knowledge and wisdom are not the same. My point in all of my writing on politics and religion particularly on the two together are for the believer. Those who do not believe will not believe what I write and that is fine. I don't believe that my use of prophecy which is not Revelation... is not a preaching but if nothing else lists of things that have happened just as predicted. Also the works of Josephus ( A Jewish Historian) records so much about Jesus that could only have been supernatural - he was not a believer of Jesus either. I personally don't want to argue with anyone. I don't favor others trying to prove to me there is not God. I am not trying to prove to you there is a God I am telling those who believe or are on the border what I 'know'. You are getting close to saying that those who are believers are not intelligent or educated, both are incorrect in so many areas. I do appreciate this post. I appreciate your honesty and gentlemanly manner of putting it on the table.
posted by
Justi
on June 18, 2006 at 9:10 PM
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