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Incognito46 - welcome to Blogit and I have to agree
Just as we look back at our ancestors and find a bit of humour in the notion of a flat earth, we will be the subject of the same type of humour for future generations.
posted by
gomedome
on June 19, 2006 at 7:32 AM
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About 10 years ago I was a bit inebriated and Robert Tilton was on TV
He was doing his usual "speaking in tongues" routine, and it really cracked me up. I was so high I think I actually understood him.....LOL
Touch the screen baby! LOL
You know, 10,000 years from know man of the future is really gonna get a huge laugh looking back at his own "religious" history, he really will.
posted by
Incognito_Jones
on June 19, 2006 at 7:14 AM
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i saw people speaking unknown words on televison recently
at the National Spelling Bee.
posted by
Xeno-x
on June 19, 2006 at 5:37 AM
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Miriouma - your comment cracked me up
I wondered how long it was going to take before someone left me a comment in tongues.
posted by
gomedome
on June 18, 2006 at 10:51 AM
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Gomedome,
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posted by
myrrhage_
on June 17, 2006 at 10:42 PM
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Sunnybeach7 - that's basically how this scam works
you can end up with a room or even an assembly hall full of people with all speaking in tongues and all faking it due to peer pressure or expectation.
posted by
gomedome
on June 17, 2006 at 10:37 PM
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franciscan - no problem, think nothing of it, I'm glad to help
You will eventually realize that the catholic church has an inexhaustible supply of incredible yarns such as this. From sightings of the Virgin Mary to Stigmata, they have played fast and loose with the truth since their inception. It's nice to see that we both agree in calling a religion where one is asked to believe so much that cannot possibly be true, a delusion.
posted by
gomedome
on June 17, 2006 at 10:34 PM
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A friend of mine. Store manager where I used to work...
She had a couple of the other employees over to her house one day. She's a born-again Christian.
They came back to work the next day and told me that she was speaking in tongues, and told them if they believed, they would be able to speak in tongues also. So they faked it, best they could, she wouldn't let up till they did.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on June 17, 2006 at 9:52 PM
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Gomedome, shame on Saint Paul for being so deluded.
We in the Catholic Church consider this martyr, genius and saint to be one of its greatest theologians. He said he spoke in tongues. Guess not. Thankfully you're here to set at least two billion people straight. Thank you, thank you and thank you!
posted by
franciscan
on June 17, 2006 at 8:49 PM
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posted by
A-and-B
on June 17, 2006 at 3:03 PM
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Sophistie - exactly there is much deprogramming to be done
There are too many brains that are sparkly clean with a complete and total brainwashing. These are the most dangerous ones, the fundies.
posted by
gomedome
on June 17, 2006 at 3:02 PM
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The Listener Must Be Able to Understand
That is what many to not understand.
posted by
Dr_JPT
on June 17, 2006 at 2:58 PM
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ariel70 - eventually our species will escape the medieval funk of the
ancient world religions.
Too bad the earth will be nothing but a charred cinder by then. All we can do in the interum is to continue to show these people that put their faith in invisible beings, what the word respect means and what qualities are necessary to coexist with other peoples. Some of them will get it, most will not but even the few that do improves the odds against our inevitable demise at the hands of these people.
posted by
gomedome
on June 17, 2006 at 12:19 PM
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Gome
Yes, a very apposite analogy given the nationality of most in here.
My poem/comment, was not aimed at your post at all, but at the number of times that I've had -- and no doubt will have again, many times -- an Omar moment.
Back and forth the opinions and arguments go, and all one can say at the end of it is " Yer wo?" I mean, we've got more chance of getting struck by lightning than this atheist/religion thenig ever eaching ... well, anything!
I'd hate it to end tho'!
posted by
ariel70
on June 17, 2006 at 11:55 AM
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ariel70 -- okay - one more time you are pitching major league heat to the
little leaguers.
(A baseball analogy, appropriate amongst an audience made up of primarly Americans dontcha think?)
So, tell me where the connection is between this poem or quote by Omar Khayyam and my posting. I've never quite grasped the implied subtleties in this type of prose. Is he saying that: we all put our pants on one leg at a time? or is he saying that; even if the meaning is made apparent, it doesn't add up to a hill of beans?
posted by
gomedome
on June 17, 2006 at 11:46 AM
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Ariala - no I hadn't seen that and wow, that's pretty strong langauge
It's also a little refreshing to find that not everyone defends these types of things. In the case of speaking in tongues, it becomes fairly obvious that it is an ancient con which derives its strength almost entirely from the fact that it puts the observer in a very uncomfortable position amongst their peers. Like who wants to be the first one in the tent to not be able to do this and subsequently show those surrounding them that they are a conduit to Satan at the same time? Better to fall down on the floor and start babbling and blubbering.
posted by
gomedome
on June 17, 2006 at 11:33 AM
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Gomey, interesting...I left my comment on this subject just this morning
in my own post. You may have already seen it and if so, I apologize. I realize we don't fully agree on spiritual matters, but I'm pretty much with you on this matter (to a certain point.)
http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Comments.aspx/380741#c1489449
posted by
Ariala
on June 17, 2006 at 11:16 AM
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TVBlogger - Ya gotta love how propronents of this stuff like to "capture"
their audience.
The closest I have come to it is with neighbors. A family break up that had the mother as a completely spun revivalist, forcing her 2 early teens daughters to attend tent meetings against the will of her estranged husband. He was a friend of mine, I got dragged into it and had to call the social services people to rescue two extremely frightened and very confused girls. They had been convinced by the tent people that the devil was not allowing them to speak in tongues so they faked it while in the tent, got off the hook with the tent people but could not reconcile the experience in their own minds. It began to affect them almost immediately with nightmares and an ongoing fear that because they had not been able to speak in tongues as the others did, that they were in fact harboring Satan. I have little patience for those who do this to kids.
posted by
gomedome
on June 17, 2006 at 11:10 AM
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xenox, gomedome, passionglower et al
" Myself when young did eagerly frequent
Doctor and Saint, and did hear great argument
About it and about : but evermore
Came out by the same Door as in I went"
Ever felt like old Omar and me?
posted by
ariel70
on June 17, 2006 at 11:08 AM
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Xeno-x - this is no intrusion at all
Feel free to jump in any time....pro or even not so pro to my arguments.
posted by
gomedome
on June 17, 2006 at 11:01 AM
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SORRY GOMEY IF THIS IS AN INTRUSION - -PASSIONFLOWER:
RE: YOUR BLASPHEMY AGAINS THE HOLY SPIRIT:
here's the verse:
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." the words in brackets were not in the source Greek text, but inserted by KJV interpreters.
blasphemy is:
1) slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another's good name
and our word for spirit: PNEUMA meaning wind, etc.
so it is not good to slander the spirit.
and forgiving:
1) to send away
a) to bid going away or depart
1) of a husband divorcing his wife
b) to send forth, yield up, to expire
c) to let go, let alone, let be
1) to disregard
2) to leave, not to discuss now, (a topic)
a) of teachers, writers and speakers
3) to omit, neglect
d) to let go, give up a debt, forgive, to remit
e) to give up, keep no longer
it means there are things that are hard to forget. but what are they? hardly what gomedome is saying here.
there is no blasphemy against the Holy Spirit here.
sorry gomey --
posted by
Xeno-x
on June 17, 2006 at 10:54 AM
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One summer...
I had gotten a job with a friend's dad in Tulsa, OK. On the way down he informed us that he would not allow us to work for him unless we attended his charismatic church. This had never been mentioned before we were captive in his car and was even more insulting from the fact that we were both born-again church-goers at the time. We fought him on this and finally he backed down saying that if we came to a series of revival meetings we didn't have to come regularly to his church. He was so convinced we would convert. What we saw at his church was disturbing. It was like the pastor would say, "Okay, time now to speak in tongues" and suddenly all manner of gibberish floated from almost everyone in the room, including 5 year old kids except you could see they were doing nothing more than imitating what the adults were doing.
The thing is that in the bible, speaking in tongues was used to spread the gospel by preachers who didn't understand the local language. It had a purpose. Though I don't know the verses, I also remember being taught that speaking in tongues was only to be done with an interpreter there so that God's message could be passed on.
A thousand people in a room spewing gibberish is no more god-inspired than the lyrics to "Oops, I did it Again."
(BTW, we didn't convert and we never attended his church again.)
posted by
TVBlogger
on June 17, 2006 at 10:43 AM
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Passionflower - not once have you ever left an intelligent comment on one
of my postings.
You've felt it necessary to tell me what you think of me in the few comments that you have left. You've called me arrogant, a fool and lost in the past, so I hope that you can handle the return volley. (I know that you cannot but here goes anyways.) . . .Go drop your gibberish comments about your invisible friends somewhere else. . . against all hope for the human race, there are a great number of people on this site that will buy the nonsense you are spewing about blasphemy etc. etc., I happen to not be one of them. If you do not like what I write in my posts, get lost and don't come back, it really is that simple.
posted by
gomedome
on June 17, 2006 at 9:12 AM
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I'm not sure what so-called "experts" you're quoting,
But just wanted to stop by to say that every sin can be forgiven by God except for one: blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven in this life or in the life to come. Matthew 12:31
Tread carefully when you speak of God's Holy Spirit.
posted by
Passionflower
on June 17, 2006 at 8:36 AM
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