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Hi, just read your bit on American Propagana and totally agree. My book Anjoy - God's gift although set way in the future at 3030 depicts a planet subliminally controlled and because they are not allowed to have any thoughts of their own then the negative energy increased allowing the dark angels in and trying to suffocate the planet. This is what could happen to our planet if we allow it to happen and why I am trying to help everyone aware of how energy works, in particular positive energy. And incidentally I sent a copy of this book to President Bush explaining all of this and offering my help to foster world peace by letting people know how easy it is to raise the positive energy with just a simple smile.
Nine months later he still hasn't replied! Not even 'thank you for the book, but I'm too busy to read all my letters.' Although of course, how things tend to work these days, everything I do could be noted and watched!!! Best wishes Jill Divine www.divinelady.co.uk
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citreena
on June 22, 2006 at 10:16 AM
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Azur
I see your point. Yes, it would be a great benefit. There for awhile, I was on the news two or three times a week. Every time we turned around, someone was pointing a camera at us. But, I guess that goes with the territory.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 14, 2006 at 4:10 PM
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Avant-garde
Yes, where things can be sensitiveit really does point up the need for training and appointed spokespeople . When I say a spokesperson, I mean that a good one can really limit the damage. I helped train some security guys who were going to Iraq so that if someone in their charge was abducted, for example, they would know how to handle the media attention without raising the temperature.
posted by
Azur
on June 14, 2006 at 2:02 PM
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Azur
When I worked there, it was a rough time between the two. A girl had just been shot in the head with a .45, and the medics declared her dead. The coroner arrived 52 minutes later, to discover her breathing. She died the next day. Anyway, the excessive media coverage really riled up the blacks. We were threatened with violence on a daily basis. It did not help the relationship at all.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 14, 2006 at 12:32 PM
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Avante-garde
It sounds like your group needed to appoint a media spokesperson who built up a rapport with the regular reporters. That builds trust and reduces the margin for error.
posted by
Azur
on June 14, 2006 at 5:01 AM
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Azur
I like your objectivity. We were strictly told not to speak to any member of the media, for obvious reasons. I kept a journal where I logged exactly what I saw, then I cut out the article. At first, it was just to verify that it did indeed happen. I soon discovered the discrepancies.
I did some interviewing for a historical society and thoroughly enjoyed it.
It is hard to imagine that our technological advances in this century alone has not come without some reverse engineering, in the least.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 13, 2006 at 3:43 PM
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Avant-garde
No need for an apology but I think there has been a misunderstanding. By under-estimating me, I meant that I am not so easily influenced. I am however frequently surprised at how quickly most people (public) gain a little information and run with it.
It is unfortunate that you and yours had bad experiences with the media. Yes deadlines mean that people make mistakes but very often people lie to the media. If you see my post "Are we not being told or is there nothing to tell? of a day or so ago, that explains further. It's a very good idea for people who must deal with the media regularly to have some training in how to respond to press inquiries. Many people are afraid of the media and handle inquiries poorly which means that the outcome is less than ideal from all points of view.
Again a misunderstanding methinks, I am not saying that members of the government don't try to pull the wool over people's eyes but I am skeptical about the coherence and grand planning. In fact, the government doesn't even have to be secretive these days to impose its own agenda. There is no care about what people think.
UFOs - I believe people who say they have seen them. I don't know if that makes them real.
posted by
Azur
on June 13, 2006 at 1:50 PM
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Azur
I have had many negative experiences with the media. When we are trying to help someone, or assuage a family's loss, someone is only interested in squeezing in and finding out a story, so he can meet a quota. My brother in law is a cardiologist. He was interviewed once about a patient they refused to give a transplant to, for reasons that her health was too poor to survive one. When the article came out, he was painted as biased, because she was a known drug user and on welfare. He was livid.
As for the government, I know several people in the military who worked in very sensitive areas, and what really goes on as opposed to what is revealed are two entirely different matters. The government has a long and sordid history of hiding the horrible truth from the public, in order to maintain control.
What was said in my last comment was not meant as an affront. Please forgive me if that's the way it was taken. I admire your ability and talent, but I do hold a differing opinion on the matter. Perhaps I see things from the other side of the fence.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 13, 2006 at 12:31 PM
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Avant-garde, that would be to under-estimate me
Many people make little effort to find out a thing sweeping everything under a conspiracy theory. It is easier to attribute things to forces unknown than to seek a way through a variety of explanations
posted by
Azur
on June 13, 2006 at 10:51 AM
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Samhain
Thank you, sir.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 13, 2006 at 6:56 AM
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Blanche
You're welcome. It's opened my eyes as having the ability to actually change perceptions.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 13, 2006 at 6:55 AM
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SYMPHONY
The trick is not to become jaded by the truth, but to seek to change the outcome.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 13, 2006 at 6:55 AM
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Azur
Your disbelief is proof of its efficacy.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 13, 2006 at 6:54 AM
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Isa
I think it is the nature of the beast. Politicians truly believe they can make a huge difference; yet, how can that be when they are employing the same methods that have failed thus far?
posted by
avant-garde
on June 13, 2006 at 6:54 AM
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Avant – I’m with you on this 100% and have seen so many instances of distortion or outright fraud. Excellent post. Samhain_Moon 
posted by
syzygy
on June 12, 2006 at 7:58 PM
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Avant-Garde,
That's an interesting "rest of the story" about Andy Griffith's history. Interesting that once he got famous, they wanted to claim him. Figures. Anyway, this is a different post for you, must more specific and "worldly" (I don't know how else to put it). It's obviously stirrred up some deep feelings in a lot of us.
Any thinking, rational person, though, should be concerned about the direction the government, the media and various large corporate concerns have taken, I believe.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 12, 2006 at 11:58 AM
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Avant -
I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all, but I tend to wonder about our government (republican or democrat) on occassion. I just viewed a video on 9/11 that brings up lots of questions about who was really responsible for that tragedy. Some of it was a stretch, but some of it, like the video of Osama bin Laden ,claiming that he was responsible. The person in the video wrote with his right hand. Documents obtained from the CIA on the bin Laden profile show that he is left-handed. It all makes you wonder . . .
posted by
sannhet
on June 12, 2006 at 9:02 AM
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Thanks for sharing and opening my eyes..
Take care...
posted by
_Symphony_
on June 12, 2006 at 5:20 AM
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It still sounds
too organized to be real. I mean the government couldn't be the only ones clever enough to know all of that
posted by
Azur
on June 12, 2006 at 3:11 AM
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Thanks...
for pointing out some vices of the American Machine...Bush and co plus the media are professional liars in my opinion...
posted by
Marshallengraved
on June 12, 2006 at 2:31 AM
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Blanche
He asked several people in Mt. Airy for money in the late '50's. He told them that he wanted to go to Hollywood and become a music star. They laughed him out of town. Well...he did make it in comedy, and held a grudge for many years. Mt. Airy always hailed as 'Mayberry', despite his insistent denial. This went on until 2002.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 12, 2006 at 1:10 AM
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Mason
Yes, my friend. 'Tis sad but true. There is everything to gain by not telling the truth.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 12, 2006 at 1:08 AM
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Azur
What you're saying is true. However, I do believe that the American government has been engineering a campaign of propaganda against the existence of UFO's now for 60 years. It has been done subtly, by insinuating frightening and unbelievable shows and movies, that depict things too unbelievable to be considered real. That, coupled with constant denial of any involvement in reverse engineering of spacecraft, has allowed them to secretly advance their own technology and keep a stronghold on military power.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 12, 2006 at 1:07 AM
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bel
I think transferring information by its very nature renders it distorted. Add to that the desire to make deadlines and have it juicy enough to read, and the distortion begins.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 12, 2006 at 1:03 AM
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naorem
One blunder can cost us heavily, especially when the whole world is looking on.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 12, 2006 at 1:02 AM
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Ariala
Thanks.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 12, 2006 at 1:01 AM
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LOL, that is good to know, Avant-Garde!
posted by
Blanche.
on June 12, 2006 at 12:29 AM
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..it is far worse than any of us can even imagine... read some of
David Icke's books.. yes, some call him a conspiracy nut... but he has has done a lot of very interesting reseach, much of which is verifiabale.. and if only 10% of his claims are true... we are living in a world wide nightmare of deciet and lies...
posted by
MasonGarrett
on June 12, 2006 at 12:27 AM
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There is no big machine of propoganda
There is nothing so organized.
Propaganda happens in some places by design depending on how efficient the propagandists are. Other misinformation that is published is a combination of unreliable sources, unreliable reporting, misinterpretation and human error. Often it is a little of all of the above
posted by
Azur
on June 11, 2006 at 10:27 PM
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Avant
There was a time I believed if it was printed it must be true. I had a very ethical Journalism teacher in high school who taught all of us, if you can't back it with fact and with the WHOLE story then you are cheating the public of the truth. Half truths were not acceptable with this teacher. I quickly discovered as an adult that this teacher was a rarity versus the norm when it came to the press.
posted by
bel_1965
on June 11, 2006 at 8:00 PM
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yes. we feel for the ugly policies of Bush
one side he is good in volunteering to combat terrorism, but hurt at the loss of innocent soldiers and civilians in Iraq.
posted by
naorem
on June 11, 2006 at 6:53 PM
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Excellent post, avant-garde...!
posted by
Ariala
on June 11, 2006 at 6:40 PM
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Passionflower
My brother went to med school at UNO. He said that the area in question was so bad that the police stayed away from it. What kills me is that many of these people deliberately stayed behind just so they could loot; and, when things became tough they played victims.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 11, 2006 at 6:20 PM
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Blanche
That's funny. Would you believe that I live 10 miles from Andy Griffith's birthplace? He used Mt. Airy as his inspiration for the series, but was so miffed at folks there that he wouldn't admit it for over 40 years. Finally, they named a parkway after him and he admitted it during a ceremony.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 11, 2006 at 6:19 PM
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Other areas where the refugees were sent also reported
Higher crime rates and more violence. I guess most Americans didn't realize that the population of New Orleans was 90% poor, uneducated black people living off welfare and drugs and prostitution.
When everyone first started talking about taking in the displaced citizens of NO, I tried to warn them that these were very seedy, often dangerous individuals.
posted by
Passionflower
on June 11, 2006 at 6:15 PM
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Avant-Garde, we just went to see a comic the other night
He called Seattle "Mayberry with skyscrapers", it's still a small town with pretensions to being a big city.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 11, 2006 at 5:52 PM
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Trevor
Yes, that was my main point. We want someone to tell us that everything's fine. We don't want to hear that things are out of control, that no one really cares about another's plight, and that the lust for power is predominant. Thank you for reading.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 11, 2006 at 5:50 PM
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Blanche
Yes, I see it, too. The small towns, I believe, are even more corrupt than the large ones. You might not have the violent crime and crushing poverty; but, you have a good ol' boy system in place that has a monopoly on everything.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 11, 2006 at 5:48 PM
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Whacky
Perhaps, somewhere. Will we look or continue to believe to already know it?
posted by
avant-garde
on June 11, 2006 at 5:47 PM
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This was different from posts I'm used to from you, avant, but I enjoyed it very much. I agree... I think a large part of truth distortion is the frailty of human memory and the variety of perception...though I also believe purposeful misleading also occurs.
posted by
Trevor_Cunnington
on June 11, 2006 at 5:20 PM
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Avant-Garde,
I have seen in my own family, in the law firm where I used to work, my own reaction to wanting to avoid seeing people as I wanted to be, and not as they really were, how easy it is to avert our eyes, and not see what it is that is there. In my opinion, the truth is too painful to bear alone at times, witnessing the worst of human behavior nearly made a cynic of me, when working on corporate cases, and thinking that all anyone cared about was money, not justice.
However, again, I believe you are right, too, that this is something we as humans have created, and that God hates injustice, but forgives those who seek it. I do think it is an inherent part of humanity to want justice, there's no real peace without it.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 11, 2006 at 4:43 PM
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The truth is out there..isn't it?
posted by
Whacky
on June 11, 2006 at 4:36 PM
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Passionflower
My mom lives in Shreveport. She said that 5,000 people from 'the projects' were sent there, following the evac. Almost immediately, crimes rose astronomically. Homes were robbed at an alarming rate surrounding their shelter, the Hirsch Coliseum. Nurses' lockers were being broken into at the hospitals where they were taken. It would have been better for everyone, had they been contained where they were. Who knows what secrets are being covered up!
posted by
avant-garde
on June 11, 2006 at 4:11 PM
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Rcky
What typos? Anyway, I'm very glad for your response. I feel a need to speak out about what is really going on here. Perhaps I shall write more when the mood strikes me as it has today.
I have never seen a UFO, but I think that simple logic dictates that aliens exist. It would be obtuse to think that we are the only living beings existent.
Too many decisions revolve around money, and give no heed to integrity and humanity. A major change must take place or we will effectively destroy ourselves. The time is nearing.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 11, 2006 at 4:08 PM
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TAPS
Thank you. I believe that you did experience this campaign of secrecy.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 11, 2006 at 4:01 PM
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Blanche
I think you have hit on something big. We really don't want to know the truth. We'd rather think that our efforts are not in vain and that those in charge really do care about our welfare.
I, too, believe that God is benevolent and has no hand in what we are doing. We have taken this on ourselves by thinking that we know what we are doing and that it is 'right'.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 11, 2006 at 4:00 PM
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You are alot more accurate than you realize.
The American media NEVER did cover the worst of the violence in the Superdome that occured during those 6 days thousands were trapped there. It was shown overseas but not here in America.
They also NEVER did tell the truth about the EXTREMELY DANGEROUS levels of benzene, cyanide, lead, etc that was in the soil, water and air along the coast in the area where Murphy Oil was.
EVERY SINGLE BLADE OF GRASS, TREE, BUSH, BIRD, SQUIRREL, FLOWER, ETC WAS KILLED BY THE OIL AND BENZENE SPILL. [I have pictures to prove it.]
I also met a gal with the EPA while working one day. It will not surprise me when those of us who were "First Responders" come down with strange illnesses in about a year's time.
posted by
Passionflower
on June 11, 2006 at 3:23 PM
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Oops, excuse the couple of typos in my comment...I guess I better proof
read a bit better!
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on June 11, 2006 at 2:53 PM
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Avant........
Wow, now I know there is something going on astrologically or otherwise......this is a different kind of post for you...and you know what.... I absolutely agree with you on everything! Being an activist for most of my life I of couse had to be aware of events and therefore I am a news hound! I have been aware of how the media, controlled/owned by corporations in bed with the government vastly distort the news and use it as a form of manipulation. May I present Fox News as an example.....fair and balanced...yeah, right.
I also believe that we have been visited by UFO's, I have seen them, my brother had a close encounter when they were having all the Hudson Valley sightings in Upstate, NY in the 80's. Why do we need our govt. to validate that they do exist. Astronauts have seen UFO's while in space, Pilots, commercial and military way back into the 40's have seen them. These aren't the bubbas living in the backwoods with an IQ of 50 that they always portray as seeing UFO's. These are highly inteligent men and women. So why is it that when I tell someone that I believe in UFO's and have seen them they look at me like I have two heads of just smoked some really good shit! LOL
And your feelings about Bush taking us to Iraq. I saw that, you saw that, others saw that, what the hell is wrong with all the other millions of our citizens. In my opinion this is the sorriest I have seen the world in my entire life. I really am worried for my friends that have just had babies....what kind of world are they going to live in. Why can't people see that this administration is just getting richer and helping their corporates buddies get richer. I really can say that they are hardly any politicians that I trust. Look at how many are being busted for corruption. The oil company executives along with Cheney wrote the new Energy Bill....What! Now look at gas prices, etc. Why do Americans stand by and do nothing? Apathy...or we are so stressed out in our busy lives that who has time. The Bush administration has set our country back many years environmentally wise with all the programs that he either cut or eliminated completely that other administrations implemented. I admire Al Gore for working for the environment. I believe global warming is real and I cannnot believe that there is a debate about it....Glaciers melting the size of Rhode Island...... I plan to go see his movie this week. Anyway before I take up more of your space I believe we live in a beautiful country and I would not want to live anywhere else, I think the people for the most part are decent and compassionate, but we have a government that is not only corrupt but also incompetent. This was a great post and I'll be checking back to see the comments left here. Do more of this, I love to hear your views! 
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on June 11, 2006 at 2:47 PM
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avant-garde, working for the federal government in the late 1950's and early 1960's made me aware of the secretiveness of those in control. I think that most of us have no awareness of the potential of the NSA and would be shocked by knowledge of their disregard for the law and the vast network of power.
posted by
TAPS.
on June 11, 2006 at 2:24 PM
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Avant-Garde,
"Seeing and not perceiving, hearing and not believing" is a biblical way of putting the willful practice of self-delusion that many, including myself, practice when confronted with painful truths. I have come to believe that no one who is willing to see or hear the truth can be misled. It has been a painful awakening for me since 2001, to see how far many will go to hide facts from themselves. But "the truth will set you free". God lives and is a just and benevolent God, I am convinced of it.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 11, 2006 at 2:22 PM
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