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gomedome....Yes, I see
I understand what you're saying.
It's true in this country, it varies by location, some places it's just outright dangerous to engage in any other beliefs than Christianity.
Where I am, it's not real good, but not too bad either. I mean, I don't worry about getting shot at or anything because of my beleifs. Ummmm at least not yet.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on June 11, 2006 at 2:30 PM
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Sunnybeach7 - that is more or less what I was saying
20 years after our country's affirmative action program was implemented, I have to reluctantly agree that our society is better off for it. There was much pain at first and many ludicrous scenarios where people were hired for positions based only on the color of their skin or their gender. Employers had to deal with this and in many cases it cost them and hurt their businesses to comply with affirmative action guidelines. It seemed however that as if by design, the affirmative action police lightened up after a few years and let the pendulum swing back to a more realistic corrective position. The most important legacy of this social program is that it left employers with the mindset that the most qualified person gets the job, no other considerations should take precedence. I also have to concede that it was probably necessary, as old and firmly entrenched policies die hard. But it sure was unpleasant for a lot of people, both employer and employees, who now had to modify their thinking.
As for the other part of my comment I should clarify that I wasn't speaking of "bible thumpers" specifically, as I tend to think of them as persons that are a bit overzealous. I was more speaking of the difference between someone who believes in God and someone who does not. Proclaiming non belief is still not a wise thing to do in many parts of our countries and is virtually guaranteed to have the individual doing so deemed a second class citizen. Hence in my misuse of the word "equal", the person indicating his belief in God by having a bible under his arm is a little more equal.
posted by
gomedome
on June 11, 2006 at 1:20 PM
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Justi
I'm curious as to what particularly appealed to you about gomedome's comment?
As he was implying that although there are some favorable outcomes, there are still problems with AA or there wouldn't be so many people in positions that they couldn't actually work.
And if I'm not mistaken he was implying that bible thumpers and the wealthy are more inclined to be treated better than anyone else. It's surprising to me that you would agree with that?
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on June 11, 2006 at 9:47 AM
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gomedome
This is an incredible comment, (yours to Sunnybeaches7). It puts a lot of things into perspective. A lot of things. Thank you.
posted by
Justi
on June 11, 2006 at 8:42 AM
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Sunnybeach7 - but it is true - all men are created equal
. . .some are just a little more equal than others. If you have a bible under your arm you are simply the most equal. If you are wealthy, you are even more equal than that.
The affirmitive action programs eventually work. There is much pain for many people until that time arrives however. But some of it is clearly good pain, justifyably inflicted. The jokes in the lunchroom are one of the first thing to suffer. Humour has to now be generic. We have seen it in this country as well. Courtesy of this type of social planning we now have about 200 tellphone operators that don't speak English. This would be okay if they spoke our country's other official language which is French but apparently they don't parlay that one eirher. It has been rumoured that some of them may be mutes. Now I don't know about you but a mute telephone operator sounds a lot like a one legged tarzan to me. There are some roles and positions that some people just weren't born to fill.
posted by
gomedome
on June 10, 2006 at 9:25 PM
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I think it's real interesting how we have rights for everything else
Like racial issues and such. For instance, all different races have to be hired, or it's considered discrimination. It doesn't even matter who is best to fill those jobs, but the fact that if they are not hired it's considered discrimination. And this rule seems to be for all races EXCEPT caucasian. If you are any other race, your chances of getting a job at your choice of locations are MUCH higher, because, the "quota" has to be filled.
So we issue rights in these areas, but then highly discriminate against homosexuals. So we say that all are created equal, but in reality, this is not true.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on June 10, 2006 at 7:13 PM
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Right on Target
You have a way of cutting to the chase that I like! Often people will say many things and seem clueless in understanding that logic and natural tendencies are far from it. Love is an action word. If one says that they love the person and not the sin, how can it be shown. Distancing self or not wanting to be seen in public with, certainly would not show or demonstrate love. Talk!! Please! We allow are mouth and our fingers to the keyboard to say many things that hold little to no truth, often aware and often not. Great post!!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on June 10, 2006 at 5:31 PM
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Thanks
posted by
Justi
on June 10, 2006 at 3:05 PM
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gomedome
I answered you on my post as well as I know how. As for this post about divorce and Christian right this is the truth. People like me could help with those situations if we were allowed to discuss what we believe will work in those cases. Non believers will not gain them, believers can not help them unless the war is dropped. Christians are not going away. They have a hard time getting an equal opportunity to things because those Christians who will call them on their slip ups the same as the nonbeliever has no chance on here. If I post a blog about divorce in the Christian community (by the way I did) then I get flack from both sides. Both sides are yelling judgement. Judgement is assessment. If you don't make an assessment near the mountain's edge you may wake up eating your breakfast in eternity. Understanding is the key, not the chopping of either side of this issue. It will never go away. We will never get better until we can discourse.
posted by
Justi
on June 10, 2006 at 2:45 PM
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Well written post.
posted by
A-and-B
on June 10, 2006 at 2:24 PM
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TVBlogger - then just as beliefs themselves have layer upon layer of
fabrication added to them, so too does the hypocracy surrounding those beliefs.
In the gay marriage rights debate for example, the Christian right proclaimed loud and wide that their objective was to maintain the sanctity of marriage. Yet, of all identifyable groups on this planet, the Christian right has the highest divorce rate. Selective reasoning is a big part of belief in a specific religious dogma.
posted by
gomedome
on June 10, 2006 at 1:44 PM
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The hypocracy of it
My main issue is that they focus on the sin of homosexuality to the exclusion of the sins more likely committed within their own ranks. i.e. Gluttony is listed as a sin. If all sin seperates you from the love of God, then a Christian who is overweight and not in the process of shedding the weight is just as sinful as a gay person. Christians pick and choose which sins to hate (the ones they don't commit) and which ones to overlook (the ones they're more likely to commit). It's hypocracy at its finest.
posted by
TVBlogger
on June 10, 2006 at 1:38 PM
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gomedome
Thank you for the information. I changed that. There is no end to his hate.
posted by
Justi
on June 10, 2006 at 1:12 PM
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good post
posted by
Xeno-x
on June 10, 2006 at 12:59 PM
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Gomedome...I'm one of those who have told the holy rollers to "love the
sinner, but hate the sin." I say this because the rollers CONSTANTLY state that homosexuality is a sin, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. I personally don't give a flying bejesus what anyone's sexual preference is, because the irony in all these religious blogit wars is that we can debate these topics over and over again when the truth is not one blogger on here knows the truth, only their personal perspective. As I stated to Kiddo in her comment section I believe we'll either fly up to heaven or land in the hubs of hell, but to ad even more to that statment, we may just "sleep" once we die and simply rot away into the earth.
posted by
Sturgis
on June 10, 2006 at 12:55 PM
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