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ac tually janesopinion, Jesus would say that the chld did not sin
his discourses on the Sabbath -- and healing on the Sabbath.
basically he asked is it against the law to do evil, or do do good.?
that's all we need to ask when attempting to define sin -- is the action doing harm or is it doing good?
posted by
Xeno-x
on June 14, 2006 at 12:26 PM
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DK
Some interesting ideas to think about.
Thank you.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 11, 2006 at 6:03 PM
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Sunnybeach
I think that is a good way to look at it , but it is a little more complex than that.
For me it is all about intention above all else. Survival is part of it, but there are times when you end up with choices about survival and it so it has to be more than just survival as the factor that says something is right or wrong.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 11, 2006 at 6:02 PM
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Sin vs. Evil
One of the best definitions of sin I've read/heard is from "Wealth 101" by John Rogers & Peter McWilliams. They said that sin (the word) was derived from an archery term that means to miss the mark. I don't worry about sin nearly so much anymore. I'm sure any good archer could tell you practice helps!
In contrast to that they talked about evil as being anything that causes unnecessary suffering. For example, performing surgery to save someone's life may cause suffering, but it's needed. Stabbing someone on the other hand, is evil.
posted by
DarrkeThoughts
on June 11, 2006 at 5:29 PM
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Yes, according to the bible, it is sin
It is sin what he did.
It is sin what your hypothetical child did.
A lot of what most of us do on a daily basis is sin.
There is no such thing as a saint....in my opinion, by the definition of being without sin, and the definitions of what sin is according to the bible.
I don't believe in sin.
Sin is something that was created to control the masses.
So if we don't have sin how do we determine right from wrong? I think it's simple.
When presented with a situation that warrents judjment, ask the question "Was this needed to survive?"
If someone has done something that was necisary for their own or someone else's survival, the answer would be no, it's not wrong.
If someone has done something that wasn't necisary to sustain their own life or anyone else's, it is wrong.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on June 10, 2006 at 8:56 PM
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Clarification on something I said:
"If a child has to steal to meet the needs of his family, the greater sin is the FACT that he had to steal in order to survive." I mean, the breakdown of society or the ability of the church (and government) to not be able, or to choose to not provide for people in need. That is the greater sin in my book, rather than the actual deed of stealing bread to survive.
Hope I haven't just muddied the water.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 10, 2006 at 4:06 PM
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Good post, Kooka.
Is it sin what he did? Yes. And he's covered it up with more and more lies. He would have been better served to confess his sin/error/lie right off the bat, apologize and move on with life in a new direction. Instead, it would seem he continues to lie to cover up. The Bible is very clear, though. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
Regarding the starving child who steals bread to feed his family. I think it is a sin, but WAIT, before you jump all over me, please let me make a statement: it is a greater sin for the church/people with adequate resources to have let that child and his family GET to that position where he needed to steal to feed his family. I believe the church should be reaching out to people in need, but sadly there is a decided inaction -- lethargy, if you will -- in the church. I have read of people who have stolen in order to survive, but have gone back later to replace and to make amends when they later had the resouces to do so.
Example: if I was the storekeeper, and a little rag tag dirty boy came in and attempted to steal bread from me, I would hope that I would give him some. Not only that, but I would hope I would go to his home (perhaps under a bridge) and see what his needs were. Next, I would gather other shopkeepers and people of means, and pool resources so that this boy and his family would have a home and food to eat.
The Bible commands, in multiple places, to care for the "widows and the fatherless." If a child has to steal to meet the needs of his family, the greater sin is the fact that he had to steal in order to survive.
Always keep in mind that the opposite of God's judgment is his mercy. IMHO the same concept should apply to each one of us.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 10, 2006 at 4:03 PM
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kooka, Our writing here and our attendance are for some just practice for
The media outside Blogit! Mt. Which does not accept plagiarists. In the case of an exposed plagiarist in the real world, what you have is an embarrassed scholar who stands to lose thousands or millions, and the exposer, who then seems to be held to a higher standard. It's the golden rule in post-modernism-what goes around comes around.
posted by
kingmi
on June 10, 2006 at 2:20 PM
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kooka_lives - in all of this there is a circle that leads back to lying
Plagiarism would not even be an issue if the individual had in fact gone to college. Plagiarism is a topic of some discussion in all institutions of post secondary education. From the first year warnings of what happens to those who are caught, to being taught in class the proper means of giving accreditation to contributing authors. Further, arguments using the logic of the plagiarist against him have a built in catch 22. He may not have written the original argument, therefore they are not his words nor his contention. . .
posted by
gomedome
on June 10, 2006 at 12:50 PM
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They say a sin is a sin..and if that's true...then we have all killed
before...one way or another, we all stole a dollar.... Personally, I would just be humiliated if I got caught stealing work and trying to pass it off as mine - especially when it's this subject matter. Humiliated and fake.
posted by
Kiddo75
on June 10, 2006 at 12:25 PM
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