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Janes
I am glad you seem to understand where I am coming from. I think this may be a first between us.
As for picking on him, this post was done the day after I found him to be plagiarizing and the post itself was not dwelling on that side of it anyway. The comments I have left in his posts where there so that I could show people that I am not just trying to go after him, but that he is doing this and it is a problem he seems to have. Beyond that, I have had issues with him, as have several others here on Blogit, but that has little to do with why I wrote the initial post.
I am not pushing the issue,. I plan to back away from it now. Although I do have posts in mind that will refer to the incident, but it is not going to be me trying to 'beat a dead horse'.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 10, 2006 at 11:36 AM
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Kooka, I agree with you that he seems incapable of coming clean,
and instead appears to be digging himself a very deep hole. And like Gomedome said, he is a man to be pitied.
As to how I would react to you if you did the same thing -- that is a very valid, searching question. I would like to believe I would send an email, but with the madness of our history, I can honestly say I don't know how I would react. My knee jerk reaction would be to throw up a post and expose you to the blogit world. However, I'd like to think that after pondering it overnight, I would simmer down and send an email. (Who takes the time to ponder these things overnight?) So yes, a very valid question on your part, and a very honest answer from me.
(And regarding picking on him, I was also referring to the multiple comments, since this debacle has been going on for several days.)
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 9, 2006 at 8:49 PM
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Janes
It ends up being my call as to how to go about this, since it was me who caught him.
If he had not shown himself to questioanble before now, I might have kept it more low key to begin with. It has nothing to do with his beliefs and everything to do with how he has presented himself here in the past. Even now he is claiming he has done nothing wrong, which only helps to confirm that he would not have done the right thing if I had gone the e-mailing path on this.
But since I have only done one post and a few comments in his posts about this, I do not feel as though I am making a big deal about it. I am giving him the chance to do the right thing and make changes to his postings.
I have to agree fully with gomedome, the guy seems to have some serious problems going on and needs to pull himself together. I do not feel sorry for exposing him as I did though. I only hope he will come to his senses and figure out why he does what he does.
Ask yourself how you would handle it if you found out that I was posting stuff written by someone else? How would you go about dealing with me?
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 9, 2006 at 8:37 PM
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Good points all, Kooka, and one of the prime reasons I never debate
over faith. True Believers seem to have it in their heads that a question, no matter the tone, is an attack. Personally, I've never understood such blind devotion to a book that is so full of contradictions and illogic. This is not to say that I do not have faith, just that I question everything. It's hard to discuss or debate when sooner or later someone is going to decide to take a comment as a personal insult when all it is, is a comment. Did that make sense to anyone?
darkmuser
posted by
darkmuser
on June 9, 2006 at 8:30 PM
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Kooka, we've argued down this path before.
You say you don't "attack" believers. I've said you do. The "tone of voice" used in your religion blog is a heck of a lot different than that used in your journal blog (which I keep up with on a regular basis, by the way), and definitely less friendly than the "tone of voice" used in your journal blog. Your blogs are pretty much all against or about Christians in some way or another.
Fine, no problem. Free country, you may write whatever the heck you want to write.
So when you started blogging against NOPEACE, it was only a natural assumption on my part that maybe, just maybe, you were picking on him because he claims to be a fervent Christian who appears to be plagiarizing, rather than simply another blogger who happens to be a plagiarizer. So regarding integrity, since you SAY you discussed this simply because he happens to be a Christian who plagiarizes, I will have to take your word for it.
But with an accusation as weighty as that of plagiarism, I still say it would be nice to confront someone first with an email.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 9, 2006 at 8:19 PM
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Wow...Just read it all and caught up. I think anyone who steals
another's words to prove a point is not a worthy opponent to debate. I'm a "believer," but I don't believe in resorting to plagiarism.
posted by
Renigade
on June 9, 2006 at 8:11 PM
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kooka, I feel like I have met an old friend. thanks!
posted by
kingmi
on June 9, 2006 at 8:01 PM
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Also
I am an ordained minister. There is a whole story behind that. If you can't find my past posts on that, just ask I can hunt it down and repost it for you.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 9, 2006 at 5:46 PM
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kingme
The point about NOPEACE being a sinner for plagiarizing was referring to comments made by NOPEACE that all sins equal sin and so since plagiarizing is both stealing and lying, then he is sinning according to his own ideas (Although he seems to be in denial as to what he did ) and so if we are to see things by his reasoning, he is a sinner and is no better than a murder or rapist. I was using NOPEACE's own words to make a point about his own actions. He has made the comments about how it is just evil to sin to begin with and that it matters not the intention. he says you have to follow God's laws to you are causing God pain and that is just wrong according to him
The basic point you need to understand about NOPEACE is that he seems to almost never pay attention to what it is he is saying. This whole thing is a prime example of that. And now it looks like a lot of that has been due to him not being the writer of his own words.
Feel free to start up any friendly debate you wish to. I am all for it. I just ask that you keep it friendly and avoid insults and such. I have had some good debates in the past with reasonable believers whoa re willing to be polite and respectful when debating.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 9, 2006 at 5:44 PM
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kooka, I am going to have to go back and read a year or so of your blogs.
I read the cover and judged the book. You are an unbeliever and refer to yourself as a rev.
I think the fact that you and I have peacefully coexisted for over a year here on Blogit Mt. Without ever crossing swords before is sad. I feel I have let myself down in not taking the time to get to know you.
Were you only kidding about his being a sinner for plagiarizing?
posted by
kingmi
on June 9, 2006 at 5:22 PM
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