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Okaaay
I once again shred your logic and expose how ridiculous your claims were, so you simply change tacks slightly and continue ranting. Saddam an Arab nationalist? You could call him that (if "Arab nationalism" excludes Kuwait). That doesn't mean he wasn't a sociopath tyrant.
With your view of things, what do you then make of the first Gulf War? Saddam invaded Kuwait and was threatening Saudi Arabia. We go in and save them. Are we still occupying and controlling Kuwait, or did we help them out and then let them regain control of their own country, only leaving a defensive force at their invitation?
posted by
AaronB
on June 13, 2006 at 8:06 AM
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AaronB,
Again, since you have all your military experience behind you, then you know that Saddam Hussein was an Arab Nationalist! That means he did not want the European controling Iraq! That was grounds enough to make some madd "White" folk! They got their revenge! But it looks like they are going to be paying a long time for this "Racist" war! George Bush and you "White" folk may leave this Planet unJudged, but you will not have my endorsement!
posted by
Glennb
on June 12, 2006 at 10:42 PM
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Glenn, Glenn, Glenn...
You have a truly spectacular ability to jump to false conclusions that make no sense.
1. I didn't say I saw kids with blown-off legs this year. I was in the No-Fly-Zone of Iraq during the early 90's. They were not caused by allied bombing.
2. Land mines stick around. That's why human rights organizations oppose them. Land mines planted around Kurdish villages 15 years ago are still killing and maiming people to this day, even though Saddam isn't in power anymore.
posted by
AaronB
on June 11, 2006 at 12:37 PM
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Lensman
If I don't have a husband, then I want to know who's ex-wife it is that is making my life hell on a regular basis LOL!
Also, just who is that naked man in my bed every night? I need to know LOL!
posted by
bel_1965
on June 11, 2006 at 11:25 AM
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Sarooster
Another good point
posted by
Lensman
on June 11, 2006 at 11:24 AM
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GlennB
Speaking of blazing agendas....
Bel...no prob. I've caught some of his stuff, off and on, over the last year, but I haven't been motivated to say much till today. I had a pretty good idea of what to expect in return (at least a few exclamation marks) but today I figured I'd speak up anyway, since I happen to believe you do have a husband...
posted by
Lensman
on June 11, 2006 at 11:23 AM
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Bel 1965,
I would not trust any of these "wimps" to really defend you in a crisis! I am more concerned about the direction of this insanity than most people here! And I like everyone else here "pay" to get my position out! Block me and I still have a say!
posted by
Glennb
on June 11, 2006 at 9:42 AM
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AaronB,
Your tactic is used every day in corporate media! How could you have seen kids with no legs, because of Saddam Hussein this is 2006! What would you prefer no legs or being under one of those "shock and awe" five hundred pound bombs?? Sorry pal, you are talking to the wrong "idiot"! Remember America's stated objective before they had to modify it! "Bomb Iraq Back Into the Stone Age"! Had nothing to do with WMD (what ever happened to that?)
posted by
Glennb
on June 11, 2006 at 9:38 AM
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To Those That
Very quickly came to my defense. Thank you very much. Glennb has run off at the mouth with me in the past and given I hate to have a battle of wits with the defenseless I tend to simply block him and call it good.
It's very nice to see that chilvary(sp?) is not dead and I am honored to have such a fine group to come to my defense, but please don't worry about him, I have at least had better debates with those that actually have a have an intelligent response. I am more than willing to to discuss my POV with anyone and why I have that opinion but I do expect more than nastiness and anger for thier own inadequacies in return, otherwise I refuse to carry on with them.
Again gentlemen, thank you. 
posted by
bel_1965
on June 11, 2006 at 9:29 AM
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If we're going to humor Glennb by responding to him
I did serve in the military. Do I therefore meet your criteria for being "allowed" to support the war?
The US Military now is far removed from the liberal stereotype. There are rich and poor, people of all races, many people who are highly intelligent and educated - all serving together. Are you actually saying it's better to have a draft, hoping that one of the Bush twins is forced in? I can just imagine the kind of soldier you'd make if your number was called.
You say "don't give me that" about Saddam being a brutal dictator. What kind of argument is that? I've been there and seen kids with no legs because Saddam had his troops plant land mines all over civillian rural areas. If I were playing the game the way the liberals play it, I'd say you aren't allowed to disagree with me until you've been there, too. I, however, support your right to disagree; I just don't appreciate your saying that person's husband should have died.
posted by
AaronB
on June 11, 2006 at 9:18 AM
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Lensman,
Do you know that Bel even has a husband? People come here with "agendas" blazing! No! I do not believe American soldiers in Iraq are fighting for America! They are simply "paid mercenaries" who are providing protection for a criminal enterprise! War spending has depleded any revenue that would have been realized from Iraq's oil! Bush is trying to save his ass from a war crimes trial! He has the rest of his life! Who do you think has a better destiny Al-Zarqawi or Bush!
posted by
Glennb
on June 11, 2006 at 9:02 AM
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Sarooster,
America's ability to pick it's enemies has been a bit spotty since WWII! Calling someone a hero is as subjective as calling someone a coward! If you go to war to kill another human being you had better make sure it is the "right" cause! There is too much grey in this "war on terror" in Iraq! There was a "Draft" (suggesting equal sacrifice for this Democracy) back when Congressman Murtha served! You gained courage and respect knowing the rich and poor were in the fight together! All them Bush kids and not a single soldier! Something wrong with that??
posted by
Glennb
on June 11, 2006 at 8:52 AM
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Thanks for the read and comment lensman!
The rhetoric gets pretty rough at times doesn't it? Glennb does step over the line at times with his comments. My problem is that he calls a military man like bel's husband a "coward", but he would think John Murtha is a wonderful person. They were both in the same military fighting the same kind of war. I can go either way on those types of arguments. If one soldiers is a coward the other had to be one also. If one was brave the other was brave. You can't be that selective in your arguments.
posted by
sarooster
on June 11, 2006 at 6:24 AM
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Sarooster
Good post. Good points.
I've gotta say, GlennB's comments about Bel's husband are beneath contempt. As for his comments about exploding niggers and swamp gas...even lower... Does he actually think he's going to change people's minds with this bushwah? 
posted by
Lensman
on June 11, 2006 at 12:28 AM
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Sarooster,
Thanks again for the open discussion! I did not say you are offensive! It is your logic that I have a problem with1 We invaded Iraq! And to this day I have not heard one legitimate reason for that action! Do not waste your time with the "evil dictator" line! I want George Bush to sit down and explain why Americans are dying in Iraq killing Iraqis? Otherwise do not bother!
posted by
Glennb
on June 11, 2006 at 12:13 AM
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Glennb,
I find myself at a loss for words. If I am too offensive for you to take I surely must be on the wrong side of everything. I can assure you your thoughts are so far off the mainstream that they don't bear commenting on. I will continue put forth what I believe is true and right in my writings. I care not if you agree or find that offensive. My right to be offensive carries just as much weight as yours.
posted by
sarooster
on June 10, 2006 at 9:31 PM
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Sarooster,
This is a losing argument I am having with you! You say it is the good American military against the bad Iraqi resistance! Ok leave at that! But trust me you are on the wrong side of humanity! Where will you be when "Niggers" start exploding in their beds and they blame it on Swamp gas? Sorry I cannot go with your logic, it is too offensive!
posted by
Glennb
on June 10, 2006 at 8:40 PM
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Glennb,
The notion that we are fighting a war against a civilian population is just wrong. The terrorists make choices to hide behind women, children, older men and women making them instruments of this war. That is there choice and one our military must deal with. And we deal with it well. We killed millions of Axis civilians in World War II. Today we fight we more humane. We limit the damage and killing as much as we can to both military and civilian entities.
America will come out on top in this war as some of us know we are right and just to take up this cause. Evil never wins out in the long run. Saddam Hussein was an evil, and brutal, dictator. People such as Osama bin Laden and ilk like him will not win nor survive this war on terrorism. All it takes is for the USA to stand our ground and win.
posted by
sarooster
on June 10, 2006 at 10:54 AM
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Corbin Dallas,
And you are the brave one! I don't see you volunteering! Oh! That is for the people who have no other choice but military service to get a piece of this America Dream! I would like to have a sit down with you someday! Would be fun!
posted by
Glennb
on June 10, 2006 at 8:14 AM
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Sarooster,
Very well stated and thank you! We have a lot of other venues that are censored, and espouse one point of view! America will survive this crisis and many more. And George Bush Inc. will not get away with this murderous criminal war in Iraq! And our troops are not heroes! They are using the same tactics of the Israelis in Palestine! I see no bravery in fighting a war against a civilian population!
posted by
Glennb
on June 10, 2006 at 8:09 AM
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Glenn
Have you no shame?
Of course not, you've more of a coward in your little bitty, teeny weeny, toe than you could evern imagine bel's husband to be.......you sit at a keyboard and pound away....and to think bel's husband risked his life for the likes of you......so you could call him a coward. What a giant of a man you are.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on June 9, 2006 at 11:41 AM
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Aaron,
Glenb has the right to talk, to comment, and blog just like the rest of us. He can be abrasive, but that's his style. To answer Glenb though, we still have more terrorists to get after. Al-Zarqawi is just one of the ilk. I don't see how you can call bel's husband a coward if you don't know him. I am sure he is one brave guy and a great soldier and I salute him for serving our country. I am glad he came back alive; well,.....not as glad as bel.
posted by
sarooster
on June 9, 2006 at 10:45 AM
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Sarooster
You might as well ban that Glennb guy now. I've seen some of his other comments, and the guy's an a$$.
posted by
AaronB
on June 9, 2006 at 8:55 AM
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Bel 1965,
Just be thankful your husband did not get killed trying to kill Iraqis! He did not have the courage to refuse to participate in the war crime and made it back home! Be thankful you got the coward back!
posted by
Glennb
on June 8, 2006 at 10:31 PM
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Sarooster,
Why is it good when all these boogie men that "Whitey" creates for your entertainment are killed or no longer a threat? Should America leave Iraq now that the "Terror Mastermind" is murdered??? Answer me! Answer Me!!
posted by
Glennb
on June 8, 2006 at 10:28 PM
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Saroo, Hahahaha! Oh right, William Jefferson did nothing wrong, the dems
actually won that house seat in California they were vying for (asking illegal aliens to vote!), and Zarkawi was a harmless anomoly. Weird!
posted by
kingmi
on June 8, 2006 at 9:55 PM
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It's A Big Deal To Me
This man's people came very close to getting to a convoy my husband was on last year. At that moment that man became more than just an enemy to my country, he became a personal enemy and this is one time I am sorry I am simply a wife of a soldier instead of one the soldiers in this raid.
For me this is a HUGE deal. The monster that tried to kill my husband and his fellow soldier's is GONE!!!
posted by
bel_1965
on June 8, 2006 at 7:46 PM
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Why not sooner?
I heard that we (or at least certain government agencies) knew exactly where he was since before we invaded Iraq, so why not take him out sooner?
posted by
DarrkeThoughts
on June 8, 2006 at 7:38 PM
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Well said!!
posted by
reasons
on June 8, 2006 at 7:09 PM
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