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Lensman - that's it exactly
We have a huge dilemma in that a small extreme element within a visible minority is using this country's inherent rights and freedoms against us. There has not been any condemnation of note by the Muslim community but there sure has been a noticeable outcry from them to not have their rights trampled on. This old mantra is becoming tired, we are now forced to make them police their own.
posted by
gomedome
on June 7, 2006 at 2:25 PM
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Gomedome
You raise some excellent points. Considering the times we live in, the Muslim community now residing here in Canada bears a huge onus and responsibility to look within their own ranks and resist terrorism as rigorously as the rest of us. After all, they stand to lose just as much. What a lot of people forget or conveniently overlook (hello, political correctoids) is that Canadian citizenship involves not just rights, ad nauseam, but also
responsibilities. Those who have arrived in Canada as supplicants, asking to be allowed in, and who are now enjoying all the rights and benefits of Canadian citizenship, need to participate a little more in the responsibility side of things than they so far seem to have been. I don't buy the possibility that nobody in that community was aware of what these guys were up to. I don't believe that nobody has overheard any questionable chit-chat, didn't see any dubious behaviour. Who knows? To be fair, perhaps members of the Muslim community did assist the authorities in this, but I sure haven't heard anything along those lines, and, as you say, they're somewhat muted in their condemnation of these activities. I'd like to see them taking to the streets in the same numbers and with the same vehemence we've seen them display when it comes to political cartoons.
posted by
Lensman
on June 7, 2006 at 2:18 PM
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TVBlogger -- I do not condone any type of violence either
I was speaking in more pragmatic terms. A very small element within a visible minority is bringing this wrath upon the entire group. I do believe that the majority of this group, who insist that they are moderates and also insist that they do not sympathize with terrorist actions must begin to, as you say "get off of their butts" and police their own to a far greater degree than they have to date. Like where is the outrage from the moderate Muslim majority? Instead they have been more vocal about insuring that their individual rights are not breached. The reality exists that a populace motivated by fear and an ever growing hatred for an elusive, self declared adversary, may be capable of untold violence towards the entire group. This reality is the message I am referring to that they had better get.
posted by
gomedome
on June 7, 2006 at 1:20 PM
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Preach it GOMEDOME. I agree with you on all levels.
posted by
Sturgis
on June 7, 2006 at 11:37 AM
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I can't agree 100%...
I don't think violence against people or property is ever called for. This issue with Islam is an internal struggle that we've been caught up in and our involvement only adds fuel to the fire. This is their reformation. Those moderates who find the radicals unacceptable need to get off their butts and take their religion back. (Then again, I could say the same about the Christian faith.) Why will moderate Muslims protest the degradation a cartoon brings to their beliefs, but don't protest the killings done in their prophet's name and what that does to their religion?
posted by
TVBlogger
on June 7, 2006 at 10:19 AM
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Destroying a church isn't right
but destroying the meeting place of a terrorist cell sends a good message.
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on June 7, 2006 at 8:30 AM
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Absolutely!
After awhile, people with a certain group tend to become tarred with the same brush. And in this case and within this group, I have seen little to no condemnation of the actions of the lunatic fringe elements.
What I fear is that many people need dogma, government, etc. -- something bigger than they are -- so that they don't really have to do much thinking on their own. After all, it's easier to die than to use one's head. Add the natural elitism inherent in belonging to any club, be it the God Squad or the Elks, and it makes for a frightening mix.
Good writing, as always!
posted by
strat
on June 7, 2006 at 7:27 AM
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Gomedome!!
Great, great, post. I am with you hoss, 100%. They better strat preachin' one hell of a different message, and I don't just mean the Muslim religions, all religions.
If religions don't quiet the rhetoric then we have to quiet the religions.
And I can still privately tell you, I'm all for Jesus, hate the title of your blog, but by golly you have the freedom to write under a title that offends me and I have the freedom to tell you that.
I also have the freedom to agree with you, and I do over what you wrote in this post.
posted by
WileyJohn
on June 7, 2006 at 7:02 AM
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