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Justi, I agree. Thanks for stopping in again!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 9, 2006 at 7:41 PM
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Janes
An excellent post as I said before. I have come back and read it again and read the comments too. The most interesting one is from Taps. I think that sort of thinking is to be admired. It is the truth. However, I can not imagine allowing the man with an adgenda to kill me and mine today be allowed to roam the street I live on, if I can help it.
posted by
Justi
on June 9, 2006 at 3:39 PM
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Good point, Nautikos. Forgive me for even hinting at a rascist comment.
Of greater concern is the loss of the very stabilizing Judeo-Christian principles we hold dear. I would definitely concur with you.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 8, 2006 at 8:44 AM
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Jane,
my concern here is not the color of their skin. If these people could be assimilated culturally, there would be no problem. But since they are coming in numbers that
cannot be assimilated, aside from the fact hat they don't
want to be assimilated, we are facing the destruction of two thousand years of European culture, including the Judaeo-Christian tradition that is an integral part of it!
posted by
Nautikos
on June 8, 2006 at 8:06 AM
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Nautikos, I would concur with that observation.
Immigration to Europe has been in tremendous numbers. On top of that you have the higher birth rate of Islamic people compared with Europeans. Pretty soon those blond Germans will take on a wee bit of a darker hue. That said, I think the same will gradually happen in North America, too.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 8, 2006 at 7:38 AM
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bel_1965, you're welcome. Thanks for stopping by!
One of his books was called "The Cost of Discipleship" -- very thought provoking. A website about his life can be seen at
www.dbonhoeffer.org.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 8, 2006 at 7:35 AM
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bel 1965
Of course we cannot blame every Muslim for the Islamist terror that is having a profound impact on the world. Of course there were beautiful, innocent German children in the 30’s who would have been horrified at what was being perpetrated in their name. I’m afraid none of that is to the point. What is to the point is the fact that a militant strain of Islam is spreading and preaching a gospel of hatred towards the infidel, producing acts of medieval ferocity, and which , if not defeated, may well lead to a second Holocaust!
By the way, do you realize that there are serious analysts (I am not talking about crackpots here) who believe that, beacause of their immigration policies, by the second half of this century the ‘islamification’ of Europe will be irreversible?
posted by
Nautikos
on June 8, 2006 at 6:20 AM
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Jane
I have not heard of him, I'll have to check him out. My Dad's family immigrated (legally) to the US shortly before the Civil War but I still have relatives in Germany.
Thanks for the thoughtful response.
posted by
bel_1965
on June 8, 2006 at 5:59 AM
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bel, I would agree with you, actually.
My sarcasm sometimes gets the better of me. Islam definitely tends to be a more violent religion than others, but there are definitely extremists in every religion. I do wish -- as I mentioned in this post -- that more Muslim leaders would take a stand and verbally denounce the crazies of their faith. But sadly, it would seem that their silence speaks louder than words.
Thank you for stopping by!
PS -- I just finished listening to some CDs about Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a German who was martyred for his faith during WW2, and who helped rescue many Jews from Germany. Are you familiar with his name??
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 8, 2006 at 5:53 AM
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I Am Not Prepared To Blame Muslims As Whole
While I will not disagree with many points you make. I tutored some muslim student when I worked at the local college. These were very nice, respectful people who were horrified and embarrassed by the events of 9-11.
As in any faith there are extremist and I am still of the belief this is not the entire faith. I am a German Jew by heridity. While I practice the Christian faith, I am still judged by my heritage, I will not pass on that kind of nastiness until I am given proof that ALL of that faith believe the same way.
I will say the leaders in this situation could have handled the situation a bit better, they should have applauded the police for their capture and been very clear about it.
posted by
bel_1965
on June 8, 2006 at 5:24 AM
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Corbin, how dreadful!
How many more terrorists will be caught thanks to the wiretapping. This is awful; we must put an end to it!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 8, 2006 at 5:03 AM
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I like that, Justi -- blissful, caring and generous.
"blissful" in brutally delivering early death to thousands, "caring" in wanting to force their religion on the world and "generous" in sharing oil reserves -- maybe. If you do what they demand and pay a steep price!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 8, 2006 at 5:02 AM
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Oh, NO! Not Canada, too!
the arrests were made after two years of wire tapping, police surveillance and internet tracing.
It's that danged "Mini-Bush" that has taken over Canada!
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on June 8, 2006 at 4:16 AM
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Jane's
Another good post. I am surprised you have not been tarred and feathered by now for throwing in the last paragraph that suggest you may , just may think, there is some truth to the rumor Islam not being a blissful, caring and generous religion.
posted by
Justi
on June 8, 2006 at 4:04 AM
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MandaLee, back atcha!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 7, 2006 at 4:53 PM
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Good point, TAPS. We all have agendas. It's what makes up those
agendas that can have a profound effect on people.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 7, 2006 at 4:52 PM
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You're right, Nautikos. From wee tiny children they are indoctrinated
and too often that indoctrination includes hate. Thanks for commenting!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on June 7, 2006 at 4:51 PM
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Jane,
posted by
Amanda__
on June 7, 2006 at 8:50 AM
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JanesOpinion, You have a good head on your shoulders and you definitely make a lot of sense. But, I assume that the majority of muslims are prisoners of their own agenda. Actually, I guess that's pretty much true of everyone. The agendas are what's different. People are pretty much the same all over.
posted by
TAPS.
on June 7, 2006 at 7:54 AM
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Jane,
I have not been following this case as closely as it probably deserves, but from what I have read so far it seems to me that, if not the
silences, at least the
whispers from our Muslim community leaders have been deafening! But then, I am not surprised. I have written previously (Feb 2, Islamic Caricatures) about the kind of teaching that goes on in many of our Canadian and American Islamic schools. I think the time has come to do some more on that!
posted by
Nautikos
on June 6, 2006 at 7:43 PM
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