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I just came back and read Kimlynn's comment, Avant-Garde,
It is interesting that as a nurse, who has experience working with people in various highly sensitized and chaotic emotional states, you have made that observation about people with mental and emotional afflictions seem to be vulnerable to spiritual attack. It has felt that way to me, as though I were fighting or warding off evil. It is too much for one person, imho, therefore I turned to God.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 11, 2006 at 4:54 PM
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I agree with you Blanche....
I have so often contemplated what you spoke of....the weakness of the mind in psychiatric disorders being an open door for, OR a result of spirit influence. I am a Nurse and have seen alot of affected people, and alot of the traits that we associate with satan or his spirits manifested in some of these people. I have asked myself, Why is it that so many of them display traits like fear, phobias, anger, harmful self inflicting acts, visual disturbances that represent fear, etc...? I agree greatly with you that Oijui boards and such are not harmless games. A family member did see her husband die shortly after a Oijui board seesion in which the message was given, something to the effect that her and her husband would be separated. You could look at it from different angles...maybe the board was just fortelling or maybe there was an acceptance of an evil influence, but nonetheless, to me it's playing with the dark side, and by playing we give permission for it's influence. I had one given to me as a kid for Christmas! I would NEVER allow one in my house now, and I think I did throw it away at one point, and can't remeber what compelled me to do it, but something did!
posted by
Kimlynn
on June 7, 2006 at 8:35 PM
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Your share of dreams, Avant-Garde?
What's funny is that I almost never remember my dreams, only those, that went on for years. They changed over the years, but still I woke up with my heart racing.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 7, 2006 at 3:37 PM
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Blanche
I've had my share, too.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 7, 2006 at 3:30 PM
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Ach, Avant Garde, so you know what I'm talking about,
I got some marks on my feet, that just appeared there, have faded a little when I was placed next to a woman who was screaming all night long. There were rumors that the apartment where I'd lived just prior had a room in the attic so full of dark energy that no one went there. That sounds like kids' horror stories at times but there is a real basis.
I've heard knocking when I'm in that twilight state between sleep and waking. I literally felt like it was Christ knocking at my door, and felt that if I didn't answer this time, I might not get another chance. Also, not the night terrors, but "lucid dreams" a series of them, where I dreamt I was being taken out of body and carried off paralyzed until I had the urge to recite the 23rd psalm, "Yay though I wazlk through the valley of darkness, I shall fear no evil" which I never did because I was not raised religiously, and then was released. So many experiences.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 7, 2006 at 1:34 PM
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Blanche
I've always been an insomniac, and you've hit the nail on the head as to why I fight sleep so much. I had several experiences when I was in my early 20's. Some might call them night terrors, but I think it was something more. I prayed for Jesus to help me and I heard this awful screeching, as if someone were being burned.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 7, 2006 at 1:26 PM
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There are some places I just don't go, Avant Garde,
I close the closet doors at night and I am a fervent believer in prayer as a form of protection, but I first gave my life over to Christ. Others can disagree if they like, I don't speak for anyoone else, but I've been in jail, in psych wards, etc. and those are very scary places spiritually and psychically, the energy there is very dark and frightening. I didn't dare sleep.
Ask anyone who is in that state why they fight so hard to retain consciousness and stay awake, rather than take meds, I'll bet you one answer is because "it isn't safe", better to stay conscious. I know this is more fodder for those on the blog who talk about irrationality, yet those same people who consider themselves to be so rational also talk about crystals, energy manipulation, physics etc. That, to me, is hypocrisy and another form of psychic attack.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 7, 2006 at 1:13 PM
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Blanche
I've often wondered myself about possession, psychic sensitivity, and mental illness. Who knows where the boundaries lie?
posted by
avant-garde
on June 7, 2006 at 1:09 PM
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You are a sensitive soul, Avant, (and Jinx about the writing on each post),
I do believe that much of what is commonly called mental illness contains an element (not the whole story or issue, I'm not suggesting anyone not take medications or just get religion or whatever), to schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder and bipolar that when one is in that state, they are very, very vulnerable to "spiritual or psychic" attack, and that it is a real thing. That is why Iam so skeptical and leery of occult parlor games like Ouija boards, tarot cards (which I used to use almost daily), crystals, and other forms of magick.
People look at them as though they are harmless games, but imho, they are not harmless, they open the door. I better stop. I feel a little chill.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 7, 2006 at 1:07 PM
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Blanche
I was just commenting on your coffee shop post, while you were commenting here.
You're right. I have often felt a presence of something or someone whenever my emotions were intense. Also, just walking in some places gives me the hee-bee jee-bees. I made a run one night on these satan-worshippers. I felt the heavy air before I ever saw the pentagrams and goat head on the wall.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 7, 2006 at 1:03 PM
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Avant-Garde, well, I believe you've said before, "What is normal?"
Sanity, normal, are relative terms, I believe. "Normal" simply means of the norm, the median or average. When the average person is skewed towards violence, pettiness, ego, status or greed, then I don't want to be "normal". I want to be "abnormal" and still keep to the prcinciples I believe in: the Golden Rule.
I agree with TAPS below, to believe in spirits and not believe in the Holy Spirit, was a scary place for me to be, because as the Judge put it so eloquently here, there are spirits of enmity or inimical spirits that feast on heightened sensitivity or energy and do not have the living person's best interests at heart, in fact, I believe they relish the idea of suicide, mayhem, disharmony, etc. It must feed their dark energies somehow.
Yet, as someone once told me (a very scary someone) it is humans who are being themselves: with all the dark emotions who willingly and of their own free will play into these games and believing or acting as though they will live forever, never think of the consequences.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 7, 2006 at 12:53 PM
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TAPS
I believe very strongly in the world of spirit. I also believe that minds can create synergy when on the same 'frequency.' Thanks so much for your perspective.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 7, 2006 at 12:47 PM
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Kimlynn
Thank you for reading. I tried to find something pertinent and useful, as well as unique.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 7, 2006 at 12:46 PM
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Avant-garde, the "cloud of witnesses" as mentioned in Hebrews 12 has always fascinated me. Another thing that fascinates me is the number of people who believe in the spirit world both good spirits and bad and yet are not willing to recognize the power of The Holy Spirit of God in their lives choosing rather to quench his leadings.
posted by
TAPS.
on June 7, 2006 at 6:12 AM
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The spirits around us....
Wow, that's fascinating! I want to check that out also. Makes perfect sense to me...the Bible does say we are surrounded by a Cloud of Witnesses, and we know there are spirits from both sides everywhere. Never heard something just like this though, but...enlightening!
posted by
Kimlynn
on June 7, 2006 at 5:55 AM
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Bright Irish
Thank you. I would like to check that out.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 7, 2006 at 4:02 AM
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avant-garde
Wonderful Post! 
Our minds must be alike at the moment, my blog is also about anger.
posted by
BrightIrish
on June 6, 2006 at 8:41 PM
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Cee
I, too have witnessed this and it is scary. It makes one wonder about the unseen influences that surround us. Thanks.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 8:12 PM
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Passionflower
Yes, it is true. Putting truth into practice is a rare thing to witness.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 8:11 PM
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Mason
Thank you, sir.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 8:10 PM
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Whacky
It certainly opened my eyes a bit.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 8:09 PM
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Blanche
What I have seen over the past week or so has really caused me to doubt the sanity of human beings.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 8:09 PM
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Avant
The man of few words has written a masterful piece in this! Excellent and thought provoking ~ explains to a tee the rare fight I had last week with my husband.
I felt like some alien being had possessed me for just a micro-second of time; I thought it at the time, how odd I felt and asked myself, "What am I doing?" (I'd had this urge to poke him with the barbeque fork I brandished like a rapier! I quickly put it in the sink, as if it was a vile thing. I remember thinking "what am I doing?"
Even when my husband was saying mean things after another, I could not answer him blow by blow; not even one; and that felt right to me. I could think of nothing evil to say against him. (so I said "Fuck you."
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I felt like I was being pelted, verbally, by someone I didn't know, and who had no idea who I was at all. So when I read your post, an eerie 'knowingness' transcended upon me. It explains so much, at least on my level of the universe. Yes, I get it. I can "see" those that surrounded my husband and know that I saw them that night. I knew they took glee in my agony!
Thank you for this post. It was most definitely what a lot of us needed to hear at the right time!
Cee
posted by
LadyCeeMarie
on June 6, 2006 at 7:45 PM
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Certainly a thread of truth to this....
Interesting read. Maybe that's why the Bible instructs us to be slow to anger. It also warns us against being greedy (lust as well). The Bible is God's Instruction Guide for living a fuller, richer, happier life here on the earth.
But few care to read or heed its teachings.
posted by
Passionflower
on June 6, 2006 at 3:20 PM
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..fascinating... great post, thank you...
posted by
MasonGarrett
on June 6, 2006 at 2:13 PM
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There is truth here.
posted by
Whacky
on June 6, 2006 at 2:11 PM
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I would believe it, Avant,
I've lived and worked in this city for 20 years, gone through unemployment, etc. and whatever character is, it certainly does show in a person under stress. I hate to sound like an old fogey, but something has happened to the generation under 30, more game-playing, manipulation and meanness for no good reason than I care to think about. It's like Survivor for the real world, and that's a terrible model for a life.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 6, 2006 at 1:24 PM
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Blanche
I have found through trying to sell this house and find another how immature people can be. Grown adults who suddenly become manipulative, arrogant, chastising, disrespectful- you wouldn't believe what I've encountered. And, the sad thing is that many of these people are considered to be upstanding citizens! The world's in a very sad state.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 1:20 PM
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by "it" I meant character
posted by
Blanche.
on June 6, 2006 at 1:17 PM
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"As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he", Avant,
To answer my own question on character, mulling it over, I think that it is an accretion of decisions, made over time. It seems to take a crisis for many people, myself included, to rethink those decisions and reexamine their bases. Very thoughtful post.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 6, 2006 at 1:16 PM
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Blanche
Me, too. I've 'labored' under anger for many years, and have not felt alone in my dwelling upon it. Reading this only confirmed it.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 1:13 PM
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RAME
It's good to hear from you. How are you getting along?
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 1:11 PM
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Wiley
I'm very glad to hear of this turnaround for you. Good going! Thanks for the encouragement, too.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 1:10 PM
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Trevor
You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed this.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 1:09 PM
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sannhet
It's a lot more potent than people realize.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 1:09 PM
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Very interesting, Avant-Garde,
'At no time is the sympathetic power between men and spirits so strong as when men are laboring under some intense emotion, be it love or hate, or anger, or any other excitement".
That sentence alone confirms my own experiences, felt strongly under extreme duress, and it does inspire me to keep a close guard on my heart, and choose my words more carefully. Thank you.
posted by
Blanche.
on June 6, 2006 at 1:09 PM
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Flame-thrower
Thank you for your kind words as always.
posted by
avant-garde
on June 6, 2006 at 1:09 PM
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avant garde,
Oh, I believe that there are demons just waiting to pounce on and antagonize anyone who loses his or temper, despairs, or hates. Great post!
on this one.
posted by
RAME
on June 6, 2006 at 1:06 PM
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avant-garde.
Absolutely a great and positive blog that I identify with to a great degree.
I have managed to keep my cool here through my stress with HydroOne Networks Inc. and they now send the quietest, most gentle people, of good humour, that they have in their employ.
The last felow even remarked that I had such a good sense of humour he's sorry it got off badly by their sending the wrong people, guys that had NO experience with customer contact.
We both roared after he offered to have THEIR truck come and drill the required holes, and I responded, smiling and laughing, "As long as you understand I am still going to sue HydroOne Networks Inc."
Your blog could not have come at a better time for me and I thank yo for being the talented chap you are.
posted by
WileyJohn
on June 6, 2006 at 10:24 AM
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that was very interesting! thanks for the good reading material avant.
posted by
Trevor_Cunnington
on June 6, 2006 at 8:12 AM
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Avant -
Thanks for sharing this! It's a great explanation of what emotion can do.
posted by
sannhet
on June 6, 2006 at 6:57 AM
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Thank you for reading and commenting. Furthermore, I agree 100% with your analysis of why these / those people are still in the trade that my post is attempting to make the world or our community know. Once again thank you for your support and remain Blessed.
posted by
Flame-thrower
on June 6, 2006 at 6:53 AM
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