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posted by
dimondj2
on October 1, 2006 at 12:21 PM
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wonder
you are seems right I wonder about life a lot of time . some time happy , some time worry some time little bit bad sad because a lot of reasons . your visions is higher can see peoples inside brain .
posted by
Rosetree
on July 10, 2006 at 6:37 AM
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Assumptions of hierarchy in the spiritual world, that's it!!!
Tumbus, thank you for taking the pains to respond at length to my questionI feel i am convinved about what you are saying, specially about the assumptions of hierarchy in the spiritual world. You've expressed it so well.
posted by
Straightforward
on June 23, 2006 at 8:40 PM
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I think it's a mixture of things
Most people have a circle of 'peers' their own personal demographic that they include themselves in. There's a difference between the people they see themselves as being equal with and the people they actually keep company with. This is made most obvious in dating. It's human nature for a person to seek out someone they consider their 'equal', they get a vague idea of an income bracket, a level of success, physical attraction, and spirituality that they cluster together as "their ideal mate". But in truth, when one observes the actual life of the individual and the life of the person they describe as their ideal mate, sociologists, psychologists and your best friend down the street are able to conclude that this "ideal" is not actually your equal but someone slightly better (or a lot better depending on how deluded the individual is). It's the nature of mankind, we assume our equals are always a little farther ahead than us. It's also the part of our nature that makes us improve ourselves, we reach ahead, we strive to match that which we equate ourselves to. But in the gap we condemn all that we're from. A person that actually matches us in habit and social position, we're more or less unattracted to, they're not going to do anything that ADVANCES us. We're the same with our friends to lesser or greater degrees.
But the problem with prophets is that the spiritual universe has no hierarchy. We are errant in assuming it does. There's a verse that comes to mind "God's ways are not our ways". In other words, we impose a hierarchal state on the realm of the spiritual that is incongruent to the way the spiritual world (and in truth every other world) runs. Therefore, no one who dwells within our personal demographic can offer us anything we don't know or anything of worth within this logic. We desire to move ahead. We'll accept the word of someone three towns over, or across the world, so long as they appear to be someone more "advanced" than we. And "advanced" is suuuuch an arbitrary word. :)
That's my guess. That was a really great question.
posted by
Tumbus
on June 23, 2006 at 7:48 PM
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It is sad, but sometimes being dead can accomplish so much.
But not all pioneers/prophets have to die before they're recognised.
Recognition just takes time to propagate, it doesn't happen over night but it will happen. 
posted by
markng
on June 7, 2006 at 6:23 AM
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Straightforward, I think you got it right on the "familiarity" thing. Its like if we are connecting with someone on a certain level, we just automaticallly feel that that person could never do any better than we could.
posted by
TAPS.
on June 3, 2006 at 11:36 PM
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straightforward
I think it has always been the individual who has made the greatest changes, by first changing consciousness of the many. The many see it as threatening, because of a vested interest.
posted by
avant-garde
on May 30, 2006 at 12:50 PM
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There's an old saying about that --
Familiarity breeds contempt.
posted by
Pat_B
on May 30, 2006 at 9:57 AM
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Straightforward...very good question. I've often wondered this myself.
Maybe the recognition is delayed because whom ever is doing the recognizing wants to make sure the prophets credibility will stand the test of time????
posted by
Sturgis
on May 30, 2006 at 9:50 AM
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