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NOPEACE - not necessarily perfect but at a college level
It really is a shame that you tried to pull this bullshit on me. I have no respect for you whatsoever now. To me you are nothing more than another bible thumping retard that has to fabricate stories to make his point. Don't come back here moron.
posted by
gomedome
on May 30, 2006 at 6:26 PM
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Gome
I do believe it is pointless arguing with you. The only reason I pointed out your mistake is because you have this thought that my grammar and spelling should be perfect since I graduated from Harvard.
posted by
NOPEACE
on May 30, 2006 at 5:36 PM
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NOPEACE -- so you found a typo, didn't you just write a post about that?
An entire comment from you with much improved grammar and spelling except you forgot to check the first paragraph when you attempted to be meticulous. Tell me NOPEACE, what part of the MENSA test did you find the most challenging? . . and tell me about the chapter that you belong to. Has the subject of religion come up yet at one of your meetings? Is that where you learned about "Darwin's Theory of Relativity?" Sitting amongst all of those 2 percentiles discussing religion?
You should learn more about people before you suggest they are lacking in education. I did not go to Harvard but I did go to a good college and know the difference when I see someone who hasn't gone but are claiming that they have.
posted by
gomedome
on May 30, 2006 at 3:26 PM
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Gome
Again, I don't have to prove anything to you. It doesnt matter what you believe about me but what i know. If i ever doubt that i went to harvard all i have to do is look at the degree on my office wall.
And I think it is spelled academically and not "academicly." Hmmm. I wonder who dropped out of high school and went to trade school.
This again proves what I've been saying all along. You as an atheist have no foundation to base your arguments against God on so you revert to trying to tear me down and pull me into an argument about my accomplishments. So what, I'm a member of Mensa, So what I graduated from Harvard. Does that make me better than anyone else, no, and I never claimed to be but since you are not a graduate or a member of the schools or organizations that I am you try to argue that I must be lying.
Again, I have no ego to bruise. You don't have to believe me. I know what I've accomplished and I worked hard to do so. And if me misspelling a word here and there and having a coma splice or whatever means to you that I didnt accomplish what I said then so be it.
posted by
NOPEACE
on May 30, 2006 at 3:07 PM
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NOPEACE - okay you win
I didn't realize that you were what you are. This is now 2 barefaced lies that you have told. I would have been much more impressed if you had admitted your lies and asked me to delete your first lie. That would have at least demonstrated something of your character but instead you have chosen to continue the deception. Ya see, the problem with telling people that you went to Harvard when you in fact did not, is that again your limited writing skills give you away. You have the general language acumen of a high school drop out, or possibly a trades school attendee. There is no shame in not being academicly inclined , as we are all what we are, but there is certainly a lot wrong with prosletizing a religious message and lying through your teeth about credentials that you do not have while doing so. You should be embarrassed by now but you will probably come back with another lie to do your religious message further disservice.
posted by
gomedome
on May 30, 2006 at 2:26 PM
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Gome
The post is about belief in God or your lack their of. I don't feel the need to debate my intelligence or my MENSA membership with you because I know what I am and I know what I've done. Obviously you take me for a person who needs to impress others to have self satisfaction and just so you know, I'm not. I'm not writing a research paper here so i'm not trying to write the perfect statement. However, anytime you wanna get together and take an IQ test to show how much smarter I am than you just let me know. I'm not even the one to brag but as it has become our nature to do, I am also a 1999 Graduate from HARVARD. Should I email you a copy of my degree so you'll believe that too.
posted by
NOPEACE
on May 30, 2006 at 1:46 PM
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NOPEACE - this is too funny
"....Laugh at that but it don't change the fact." ......uhh, wouldn't a MENSA member use the word "doesn't" instead of "don't"?
Look man, I didn't write this post to get into petty bickering with you about things that you are not able to follow. You can insist that you are an incredibly intelligent person all that you want but your writing skills, and particularly your grammer, indicate an average intelligence. (and that's being kind) How do you think the message that you are trying advance pertaining to the Christian faith is served by you telling bare faced lies in a public forum? You are not a MENSA member, you could not possibly have written and passed the admission test. It is comprised of reasoning problems of which you demonstrate a complete lack thereof and is heavily weighted in testing pertaining to mechanical aptitude. There are also a number of brain twisting math problems on the test but the test alone would not even be the biggest challenge for you. Once you had gone to your first MENSA meeting you would have found something out about MENSA that you hadn't realized and for you it would probably be enough that you would never mention your membership again. MENSA members to an astonishing degree are atheists, probably in excess of 90% of it's membership do not believe in God.
You would have lasted about 5 seconds in a room with these people.
If you ever want to be a man and show a bit of integrity, just ask me to delete these comments where you are caught lying in public and I will. I have no desire to ridicule you or anyone but don't bother trying to maintain this deception with me.
posted by
gomedome
on May 30, 2006 at 1:31 PM
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Gome
You mentioned that I asked about residental schools which is why I bring it up. As for your post you still have not stated anything saying WHY you don't believe in God only to say that you don't believe in God.
As far as MENSA goes, I'm smart enough to know that I don't have to prove how smart I am to you. Laugh at that but it don't change the fact.
posted by
NOPEACE
on May 30, 2006 at 12:37 PM
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NOPEACE -- ha ha ha ha ha ha - knucklehead, you picked the wrong
person to lie to about being a MENSA member. (Doggy MENSA doesn't count for humans)
Actually your statement about free will and people choosing the wrong religion in foreign countries is only a few posts back. You didn't ask about residential schools, I'm telling you about them.
Keep in mind that this post was written originally as a response to you enquiring as to the possibility of opening a meaningful dialogue with me and specifically why I don't believe that God exists. I have since determined that any form of meaningful dialogue with you is not possible. You want to sell your religion to me and nothing more but even with your agenda aside, I find that it is impossible to discuss anything with you. Sorry but I'm still laughing about the MENSA membership that you say you have. You are claiming that you are in the top 2% of human intellect but you would know that if you were in fact a member . . . too funny.
posted by
gomedome
on May 30, 2006 at 12:31 PM
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Gome
Where did I ask about christian resident schools. I understood your point about Tehran you just missed mine. If people in the middle east believe in Allah and people in the West believe in Jesus, of course the cultures are different and I would expect nothing less in their strong belief in their religion. I've never said that anyone was wrong for choosing a particular reason and I challenged you to show me where I said that they are wrong for their religion. And I think the separation between our IQ is probably a bit more than 50 points, me being a member of MENSA and all.
posted by
NOPEACE
on May 30, 2006 at 11:55 AM
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NOPEACE - one more time just about everything I have written escapes you
I've tried to tell you in the past that we are not likely to ever enter into meaningful dialogue. When someone asks me what is not to believe about Noah and the Ark (or however you put it), there is nothing I can say to them. There simply is nothing believable about the story of Noah and the Ark, nothing at all. It's a child's fairy tale.
You missing the point about my stop in Tehran doesn't surprise me. When someone such as yourself thinks that they believe in the one true word of God and all others in the world are wrong in their beliefs, you will never get it. You will however have to conceed eventually that everyone on this planet holds their own beliefs with the same conviction that you hold yours (that was the point). Your insistence that people of other cultures have just made bad decisions on what religions they subscribe to because God gave them free will, is just retarded. It is just about the dumbest thing that I have ever heard concerning religious belief.
I'm not going to go much further in dialogue with you, what's the point? 50 IQ points separate us and I am not necessarily bragging about my own intelligence by sayng this. One last thing, if you have to ask about Christian mission schools (or "residential schools" as they are more commonly referred to) that existed in North America up until recently and how such an abomination perpetrated in the name of God could affect a person's perspective towards religious folks, you simply need to do a bit of research before you embarrass yourself further. Now please, the same request I made last time you commented on one of my posts still stands. I'm not going to block you but I'm also not going to be bombarded with your attempts to have me see the world through your extremely limited perspective.
posted by
gomedome
on May 30, 2006 at 10:07 AM
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Gome
You said a lot without saying anything.
You stated: My primary school education was 8 years spent in a Christian mission school. Set up and operated by the Catholic church for the sole purposes of sucking on the government teat and obliterating native culture. Doubts of the existence of a God as defined by Christianity began to creep in at an early age.
Why? What was it that you didn't believe?
You also stated: Iran was a religious powderkeg back then, the west and all westerners were hated to a degree where I was forced to stay sequestered in a protected zone lest I be killed by extremists. I quit the job that sent me there within 5 days but even in that brief timespan, I gained a snapshot of the levels of absolute certainty that any people, anywhere may have for their homegrown religion.
Muslim extrimist is no where near christianity. Simply because they had faith in their religion, why does that drive you to believe less in catholism?
You also mentioned: While their story is no more believable than the building of an Ark...
Thousands of years ago the pyramids were built in Egypt beyond its time. Also, the Europe, Stonehedge was errected which remains a mystery today. But Noah building a big boat is unbelievable?
You continuously called God vengeful as if to insult him however it clearly states in the bible that God is a vengeful God. God even goes so far to say that "vengence is mine." But until you can understand the meaning of his words, you'll never understand the source of his vengefullness.
You also mention how in Georgia the baptist are right in Boston the catholics are right and in Utah, the mormons are right. Each one of these religions differ in the manner of worship, as do members of the Church of God, Church of God in Christ, Jehovahs witness, methodist, a.m.e, c.m.e., pentacostal and so on. However, beyond the manner in which they worship, they have one distinct trait similar and that is the belief in God's son Jesus as the Messiah which goes beyond principles of "religion" and enters into a way of life which is "Christianity." Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life that people of various religions strive for.
posted by
NOPEACE
on May 30, 2006 at 9:16 AM
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franciscan - you probably think that you have articulated a good analogy
The problem with the parrallel that you attempt to draw is that it is a complete facade. Where there are unmistakeable visual signs of someone who is deprived of food, there are no such indicators in those who do not believe as you do. There are only your perceptions, your bias and your religious agenda. With all of these things derived from your beliefs and the propaganda that your religious organization routinely proliferates, depicting those who do not believe as you do as somehow being in need. Hungry people will do whatever they can to obtain food, help in that regard would be most welcome but those who do not share your delusion are not necessarilly hungry for anything. Except possibly longing for the day that people wanting to impose an irrational belief upon them stop thinking they have the right to make such assessments about people they do not know. There are completely fullfilling life guiding philosophies other than ascribing all that is to a manufactured, invisible entity. If someone where to suggest that I am somehow starving for anything in life, be it of a physical or spiritual nature, I have nothing to say to them, they cannot possibly understand that no matter how well intentioned that they have convinced themselves that they are, they are still just primitive of thought. Still just adhering to the limited observations and perspectives of primitive man.
posted by
gomedome
on May 17, 2006 at 5:05 PM
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One reason why we spread the faith
It's kind of like this. [how it feels on the inside] Imagine your town has an exceedingly rich king. He feeds you with gourmet meals all the time. Across the street in a different town you see your brothers and sisters starving. They're thin, gaunt, weak and defenseless. What happens? Most are compelled to share the food because they care. You don't want to dominate them. You just want to share something necessary for survival.
posted by
franciscan
on May 17, 2006 at 3:56 PM
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gomedome, an evangelist meets people's needs. Proselytizing, no one likes.
posted by
franciscan
on May 17, 2006 at 3:47 PM
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Amen brother, amen.
I wish I had written it the way you did. Excellent!
Arley White
posted by
ArleyWhite
on May 16, 2006 at 10:13 PM
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Xeno-x - I have no doubt that this post is a wasted effort
Not speaking specifically of the blogger in question but when a fervant believer approaches a non believer with a request to open a civil dialogue concerning religion, they have only one agenda. It is not to understand the workings of a different type of intellect but always an attempt to convert. It never fails.
posted by
gomedome
on May 16, 2006 at 12:08 PM
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saul_relative - I love your closing sentiment
" . . . Why do the major religions have those pesky lines in their tomes about going forth and spreading the faith? Being ecstatic in their own delusions wasn't enough apparently... "
It's all about subscription. Write a few lines into the dogma and you end up with a constantly replenished, unpaid salesforce. It comes in handy when your organization is intent on world domination.
posted by
gomedome
on May 16, 2006 at 12:01 PM
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Well said, gomedome. I admire your position and agree with it. I, too, am
one of those admitted few who couldn't give a damn less about another person's belief system (although I admit to finding all religions very intriguing), but I really am not a candidate for conversion so, please, sally forth and proselytized elsewhere... Why do the major religions have those pesky lines in their tomes about going forth and spreading the faith? Being ecstatic in their own delusions wasn't enough apparently...
posted by
saul_relative
on May 16, 2006 at 11:39 AM
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NOPEACE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND
i won't attempt to say what you believe in.
but I think I understand what you don't believe in.
it's the concocted and gravenimage god that Christians persistently purport is the "Ruler of the Universe".
but you have to remember -- that's their image -- that is what they worship. it is totally real to them
sometimes you have to excuse their perceptions.
but then again NOPEACE is attempting to put up a a defense around his belief system -- a wall that casts out all doubt (albeit some has to creep in, else NOPEACE wouldn't persist in feeling the need of reiterating)
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 16, 2006 at 7:53 AM
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