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thanks for responding KOOKA
I respect you for not making a judgement call about my relationship with SIL
these women we are dealing with though in different financial situations are the same.
They have give-me-itis
Because my husband does and has made a decent living she and her parents beleive he should support her in the absense of her deadbeat husband meaning that my husband should stretch our income to cover her family also..... (I could call that liberal welfare thinking)
Anyway, recently my husband and I are both self employed and carefully guarding our savings as we need to subsidize our income with it.
Also she is only recently employed after years of insisting we should be obligated to pay for her ghetto mentality lifestyle... the best clothes and resturaunts with no bills paid,
So now that she is working and we are not technically employed, she, like your sister feels we should take care of her kids... for free.... after all, what else could we possibly have to do?
ps.... I am glad to have this debate with you... I have found it... enjoyable.
posted by
homegirl
on April 14, 2006 at 9:29 AM
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homegirl
Her attitude and her beliefs are just becoming more and more conservative and I feel that she is a great example of conservative thinking. She does not work at all herself, but claims that she does not need to while those like me are just whining. She even said something to my mother about how I should have to work Easter and that my mother had not right to say it was a shame that I was working (I am going into my part time job at channel six for the day) instead of being able to be with the family.
Your sister in-law is at least working and it is not about her just not wanting to deal with her own children. I do not know the full relationship between you and her, so I won’t just make judgment calls there.
With my sister it was very clearly that in her head because she is better off than I am I should be at her beck and call since somehow I owe her just because she has more money and is in better shape. Not that he has done anything for me or helped me out in any way shape or form. She just came to my son’s, her nephew’s, birthday party, and that is what I owe her for.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 14, 2006 at 8:12 AM
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so how does your sister being a spoiled jerk
end up being a rant against conservatives? You had me in total agreement for a minute.
Yesterday my hushands sister called me to leave what I was doing with my kids and go pick up her kid from the school bus. She told her boss that her hours were flexible and expects me to work for free for her so she can work for near minimum wage.
SHE IS A LIBERAL.
Jerks are Jerks.
Ps. I said "no, Tell your boss you have to leave."
Good standing up for yourself.... not having a "job" should not make you a doormat.
posted by
homegirl
on April 13, 2006 at 7:26 PM
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You think it's easy to snag a rich husband?
and keep him? I suppose that's what all the "me" time is for. You got to keep the good looks and all that to keep the rich husband happy, or you will be out looking for a new situation too. ;)
Just for the record, I agree that there are people like your sister all over who don't have a clue how hard the rest of us work, but want to claim some moral superiority for being "not lazy" like the rest of us and deserving whatever high lifestyle they are living.
posted by
DarrkeThoughts
on April 13, 2006 at 10:44 AM
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Janes
I never said you did. I was just pointing out how destructive that kind of conservative thinking is. In your comment you clearly could not fully defend it and I just expanded on that.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 13, 2006 at 6:56 AM
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And kooka, just for the record, in my convoluted post you will note that
I never said I agree with the current methods used by big business. I am one conservative who is not into greed or supportive of the greedy ways of businesses. I was merely stating what I've read and other observations.
And regarding investments, I agree that, in general, it's better to be in for the long haul. Warren Buffet has rather well proven this and done exceedingly well with his long term investments.
(And now I truly AM going to bed.)
posted by
JanesOpinion
on April 12, 2006 at 8:09 PM
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Jason
I honestly do not know if I would have anything to do with my sister if she were not my sister. I know I would not being do much with her right now if I did not want to be there for my nieces. Also my boys really enjoy spending time with their cousins. I am mostly putting up with my sister right now because of our children, as is most of the family. She has crossed some lines that are just upsetting everyone around her.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2006 at 8:01 PM
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Janes
That kind of thinking caused the great depression. Seriously that is the truth of it all, go and study your history to see what happened. Short term gain at the cots of the future is not a good thing at all. If a company focuses on getting their stock k prices up by cutting corners and destroying the economy then the end results end up being really, really bad. If a company decides to take it slow and work on their stocks little by little, all the while making sure the foundation of their company is strong and that the economy that supports their company stays strong, then there is long term gain that is as good if not better than the short term.
I have one investment out there and it is a long term one, that I do not plan to touch for thirty years or more. I want good, study economic growth is table companies that will last thirty years. That will only happen if companies help their workers and their local economy stay strong. Unless you play the stock market daily and are trying to get rich quick, the conservative ways of running a business are not going to get you your greatest gain. The conservative ways are the big gambles that might pay off big or more likely will bankrupt you unless you are lucky.
The small businesses that do not have to worry about stock and shareholder have an advantage, but they first need to get the business. Once more Big Businesses go out of business and we get a liberal in office who will bring back all the benefits for small Businesses that Bush took away, we will see a rebuilding of our economy.
The trick is to look at the long term and not the short term. I’ll have to find my post on how Marvel Comics almost went bankrupt because they had to worry about having month to month profits for the shareholders after they went public. That is still one of the best examples I have ever seen to how conservative thinking can destroy a healthy company.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2006 at 7:58 PM
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Ha ha, sarooster, I fear Kooka is taking you just a wee bit toooooo
seriously!
Sorry, Kooka, but I cannot agree with you on this one. I make a very good salary, but darn it I bust my butt for that paycheck -- AND have worked very hard to get where I am . . . and I'm a conservative (as you well know).
Ach, but that said perhaps I should go back and re-read your blog. Your sister is a conservative minded person who tends towards laziness, while her husband is a very hard working banker who tends to be liberal. Have I got that straight? And your premise is . . . OK, I'm back (had to re-read it) -- you've got multiple accusations here. OK, basically you're upset with all the greed of big business, and accusing conservatives for being responsible.
Ya know, I was just reading an article today that talked about how businesses are fixated on satisfying their shareholders to the detriment of their companies. Rather than investing in their workers, equipment, etc, they do everything possible (outsourcing, mergers, downsizing, etc) to make the share holders happy. Being a very small peas investor, I admit to being quite happy when my shares increase in value. But at the same time, I think I can honestly say that businesses have, indeed, lost focus and become way too enamored with making money and pleasing the shareholders. There has to be a middle of the road balance here, but I agree with you that on average, the shareholders are winning.
So the question remains, do I agree with you that businesses tend to be conservative? And therefore to be blamed for this greedy mentality? I think the polls would show that CEOs tend to be either Republican and/or conservative, because they favor tax cuts and etc. So yes, it would seem that conservatives are to blame for the greed of big business (let me know if my rabbit trail is losing its logic). But I think we need to go deeper here and try to figure out why businesses are becoming so danged greedy. Why are they so focused on satisfying their shareholders to the detriment of the worker?
Perhaps it's because it's the shareholder that is investing and providing much needed capital for the businesses? Perhaps because these companies have gone the American way and become incredibly overstretched with debt? And therefore they need to do everything possible to attract investors by cutting employees and boosting their stock value? Are you going in circles yet? I fear I am.
Anyway, to cut to the chase, you've got some very valid concerns here. I think to specifically blame it entirely on conservatives is a little too black and white -- but I accept the fact that the majority of CEOs and business people may be Republicans. I think, because of the greed of the major corporations, it's the small companies that are going to help keep America viable. They're the ones who are doing very well and, I believe, are doing the majority of the hiring.
Oh bother. It's time for this conservative, hard working Republican blondie to go to bed -- before I start to sound like a total dingbat.
Good night, and best wishes on the job hunt.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on April 12, 2006 at 7:46 PM
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sarooster
I know you think your sarcasm is humorous and/or witty, but true or not your attitude is what helps prove me point.
You do not take the problem seriously, deciding that is someone is pointing out such thing they must be using stereotypes and just complaining because they don’t want to work. The thing is there are a lot of truths in the stenotypes, which I have seen first hand. Such as your boy Bush, who does not work hard, never has and most likely never will. Truthfully my guess is you really do not respect true hard work. Your views defend people who get ahead by screwing others over and using the hard work of others to make them look good.
I already figured your first comment to be sarcasm as you had no real defense towards this post and could only fall back on you false sense of wit to reply to me. Your sarcasm is what helps prove my point you understand, or is that too complicated for you?
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2006 at 7:30 PM
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Man, you are nuts!
Why should I work hard? I make sure the people who work under me are all Democrats. I low ball them as much as I can. Most of the time I can get away without paying any benefits and such. Sometimes I bring them out to work and sit in my air-conditioned and heated truck just to watch them work hard. You can get a Democrat to do just about anything. Meanwhile, I let my conservative buddies back at our office play on the Internet, take naps, and make sure they have long lunch breaks. We make sure we have better choices for our retirement plans than the liberals at work so we can retire wealthy and pass on our lifestyles to our families and we can continue to earn the benefits of being conservative. We make sure the liberal bunch working for us retires pretty much broke and we can keep this cycle going all over again. I learned all this from my forefathers who taught me to make sure I carry on the family tradition so to speak. It has worked to perfection. I am now training my nephews not to work hard, but to follow in their uncle's footsteps.
posted by
sarooster
on April 12, 2006 at 6:59 PM
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I'm a liberal conservative
who believes in work. But I believe I should be able to do the work I'm suited for, and if I become independently wealthy so much the better, but I would still go insane if I didn't keep busy doing what I love, which is writing. Blogit has put me in Seventh Heaven. Try that tough love trick on your sister. Avoid her for a while and see if she comes around. JastonScyte
posted by
JasonScyte
on April 12, 2006 at 2:58 PM
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Mademoiselle
I would say it all depends. You should not get rewarded for being lazy and gaining from the hard work of others. There is intelligence which says work no harder than needed, basically you figure out how to not waste time and energy doing your work. Then there is integrity which says you do your own work and you work hard at it and not screw other over who are working hard themselves.
Hard work has to be of some kind of value, and yet our society seems to be valuing it less and less and rewarding those who are willing to do everything they can to use other people’s hard work and rip off the working class.
I am an intelligent person, yet I also have a high level of integrity and so I value hard work above all else. I have worked hard time and time again in my life to reach the achivments I have earned. I am not the hardest working person I know, which I know has held me back at times. But I am much harder working and show a greater level of integrity than the conservative a-holes who do nothing but live off of the hard work of others.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2006 at 2:47 PM
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xeno
No in the family can figure out where she got this attitude from. it really is unlike all the rest of us and any influences we can account for.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2006 at 2:41 PM
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sarooster
Yes, I know conservative do not believe in hard work to earn money. They believe that you rip off those who work hard and live off of the hard work of others.
My brother in-law is hard work and has earned his place and plans to work hard again to build his own bank here real soon. He works for those who have the money to pay him. That’s part of life. He believe is hard work though and sees that a lot of those he works for are just like you and would rather not work hard for their money.
You comment her just helps to show how sad conservatives are and only helps me prove my points all the more.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2006 at 2:40 PM
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don't look at me
i'm the father of both of you.
i won't get in the middle of this one
posted by
Xeno-x
on April 12, 2006 at 1:39 PM
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Why wouldn't your brother-in-law quit his job at the bank if he has
problems with conservatives who own the bank. I am glad I don't have to work hard. I am a dyed-in-the-wool conservative and it's nice not to have to work too hard. I come to work each day and draw a very large paycheck without doing anything. We keep a few liberal thinkers around here to do most of the work.
posted by
sarooster
on April 12, 2006 at 1:27 PM
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I've always felt the best and brightest in any society ...
are those who are cunning enough to become rich while still being lazy. (Expending a great deal of time and effort to achieve your goals, hardly seems very intelligent to me.)
Regardless, I try not to be judgemental of others. How much energy a person chooses to expend, is no one else's business.
"You and your third dimension."
posted by
Mademoiselle
on April 12, 2006 at 10:48 AM
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