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JanesOpinion
Kooka feels that the Bible says that people are worthless, etc.
Much of Christianity puts a guilt trip on people and somehow passes over biblical passages that describe humans as being "gods", etc.
psalms, prophets, Jesus and the Apostle Paul (also the Book of Revelation) -- all describe people as being gods and sons of god.
What is man that thou art mindful of him, or the son of man that thou considerest him? The question is answered quite well, placing humans on a level with god.
You remember Jesus reply when certain of the religionists of his day had a problem with his saying that he was a "son of god"; he replied, 'the psalmist says "ye are gods'".
And, those who consider Jesus words can also maker inferences that when he said, "son of man", he was speaking of humans beings and not just himself -- and this is why Caiphus rent his garment and accused Jesus of blasphemy when Jesus said "You shall see the son of man coming in glory." This is because Jesus was equating humans to god.
And Paul's writings are full of this. Particularly where he describes a spirit of adoption -- we then are "siblings" to Jesus as sons and daughters of god, saying, "Abba, Father."
The white stone of the Book of Revelation is a stone of voting (ekklesia was a voting body), inferring to my mind, at least, that there is a democratic system involved here.
what the Jewish religious leaders, the Medieval Church, the King James interpreters (they didn't exactly "translate") and their heirs in religion, seem to fail to understand is the deity of the human being as recognized by certain writers of the Bible.
posted by
Xeno-x
on April 3, 2006 at 9:51 AM
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caden
That's the kind of reply I like to see to my post. Honest about how you view things and such, expressing your open beliefs in a very friendly manner.
Checked out your 'about me' page. See that you live in Colorado and are into sci-fi/fantasy. Do you go to Mile Hi Con?
If you don't you should. It is a really well done annual convention that I go to every year and normally come away greatly inspired.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 2, 2006 at 5:54 PM
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I can understand your feelings
I am a christian and it is because of those dogmatic doctrines and teachings that Christianity gets a bad rap. I have contemplated those same points and have even rebelled against being Christian. In the end I realize, that for me, there is a presence of "God" in my life, and it doesn't always show up in a Christian form. I've long given up the quest for being some perfect or right Christian, it's not happening. However, and I must be honest, that christianity is so entrenched into my being that it is hard to stray from it. However, regardless of the indoctrination, I know that God is still a force in my life no matter what. I believe each of us experience a sense or knowing of a higher force that gives meaning to our lives.
posted by
caden_da_ama_tal
on April 2, 2006 at 5:41 PM
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xenox, I fear you'll need to interpret that comment. I'm not following.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on April 2, 2006 at 12:01 PM
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aint rhe bible says it
its christians
posted by
Xeno-x
on April 2, 2006 at 11:32 AM
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Ha! You caught me on that one.
Perhaps "depressed" was a little too strong a word. I've had a few gripes with my church over the past five months related to how they handled one particular family in the church. So there have been a few times when, bent out of shape over this issue, I decided not to go -- but then lived to regret it when I heard reports on what I missed.
But in general, attending church is a huge encouragement, a growing experience, and very much a blessing.
Good luck with the job. I hope it works out for you!
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JanesOpinion
on April 2, 2006 at 9:55 AM
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Janes
Maybe that is where the problem lies.
My life has nothing depressing to it, so I need not go anywhere to fight depression. If I am feeling down, I can just wrestle with my boys and forget all about it.
I could take what you said and use ti to back up my point actually. After all where does this depression at not going to church come from?
As for the job, I am still waiting for them to get back to me. I got the second interview and all looks well, but they are just very slow in getting things done I guess.
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kooka_lives
on April 2, 2006 at 8:21 AM
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Kooka, you have an interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing it.
I have to be honest and say that I've never thought of Christianity to be depressing. In fact, that's the last word that comes to my mind. When I go to church on Sundays, I am encouraged and refreshed and blessed, and find it to be such an uplifting experience. In fact, on Sundays when I don't go, I get depressed and bummed and ticked off with myself for not going. But then I attend a pretty awesome church. I know that makes a big difference.
How's the job going??
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JanesOpinion
on April 1, 2006 at 7:23 PM
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