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posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 21, 2006 at 6:41 PM
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Yeeee Haawwwww, congratulations!!!
So is this the type of job you will look forward to doing every day? Can't wait for the next day so you can go to work type job? I hope it works out very well for you!!
Good luck and best wishes.
Seriously!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 21, 2006 at 6:41 PM
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Janes
It looks like the job hunting may be over. I took a drug test today (Hopefully I did not fail it becuase I was uanble to spell LSD) and so next week I should be getting a date set for me to start training as a Store Manger for the Family Dollar stores.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 20, 2006 at 6:49 PM
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Kooka, I'm sorry you were offended --
and glad to know you have common sense, although in all honesty, that was never in question.
And like I said earlier, good luck with the job hunt. I really do mean it!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 20, 2006 at 6:39 PM
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Janes
I shall try to use reason and logic with you to show you how insulting your comment to me was.
Would you go and say 'Better make sure you are not wearing faded t-shirts and ripped jeans to your interviews, because that might be something that potential employers would not like'?
Or would you see that such advice is just common sense and that only a true idiot would not already know that?
The advice you gave is just as much common sense and to even imply that I would act in such a fashion towards people I was trying to impress says that I am not very bright at all. I am not saying you purposely were trying to say such, since you have shown that you often are unaware of what it is you are saying. I know you truly think little of me, since I do not see the world as you do I must lack some form of common sense. You have made such very clear to me already, and your comment here just backs that up.
Trust me, I have common sense and do not need to be told such things that if I could not figure out for myself I would have no hope at all.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 20, 2006 at 11:20 AM
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sarooster, I fear you will never be able to
arbitrate between Kooka and myself, but thanks for trying.
I do have a sarcastic wit, which most people can accept, but Kooka seems to be rather concrete in his thinking and I always manage to set him off. Ooops, there, I bet I've just done it again. Called him a concrete thinker. Eeee gads, better stuff a rag in my mouth before I go any further. This sarcastic tongue in cheek humor of mine will get the most of me someday.
But yes, regarding your observation, sarooster. I did rather think that he MIGHT have an air about him that employers MIGHT pick up on as being too good for a position -- just from a comment Kooka made (and which I quoted below). In that particular comment I was simply offering an observation. Obviously it came across wrong, and/or was interpreted in a different way.
I did find it interesting to note that your comments (sarooster) were generally rather positive and supportive. My first comment could be seen (I suppose) as attacking, although that was not my intention, but my second was rather calm and even supportive. However, in spite of that, Kooka went into defense mode in all of his responses. Since I, too, have been notorious in my family for being defensive, I have learned some difficult lessons in particular from my dad when he would say something like "think about what you're saying. You're being incredibly defensive. Might there actually be some truth to what the other person is saying? And if so, is there anything you can learn from that person's comments, even if you don't agree with what he or she said?"
I value my dad's opinions and have tried to learn from him, and would like to believe that I am more open to criticism -- preferably constructive criticism -- than before.
Good luck, Kooka, in any interviews you might have this week. (And I mean that seriously, no tongue in cheek, no sarcasm, no humor, no attacking. I know you want to be able to provide for your family and commend you for actively searching for a better job.)
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 19, 2006 at 7:28 PM
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Janes
When you open up a comment implying that a person is stupid enough to walk into an interview with such an attitude, how can it be looked at as anything but an insult or attack on one's character. If you wish to not attack me, then do not make assumptions that I am that clueless. Just because you find me one way here on Blogit (Once more showing you do not read much of my posts, since I do have a lot of very positive and friendly stuff out there), does not meant hat I am that with in genial. I get along great with others and am a very likable person.
You really implied I was clueless and lacked the ability to function with others.
As for the bottom rung, been there done that worked hard, to get up the ladder, then some a-hole who did not like that I was not stressing out every day over my job screwed me over due to personal reasons (Since I was doing my job right and getting really god results, better than the others at my level) and I have no wish to start at eh bottom again, since I have real management experience that should be valuable.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 19, 2006 at 9:26 AM
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Janes,
I don't know if Kooka will accept your explanation or not, but good luck. I thought the gist of your comment was to make sure he looked at all of actions and such before an interview or what have you. Sometimes you put out vibes in the wrong direction and you don't realize it. I was under the impression you were giving a piece of advice to him. I can see where it could be read the wrong way and I think it was.
posted by
sarooster
on March 19, 2006 at 8:49 AM
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Sorry, Kooka, I honestly did not intend to offend.
Sometimes there's something to be said for starting at the lowest rung. My grandfather started as a stock boy for the LA Water and Power, and years later ended up as a vice president (and he did not graduate from high school). I realize that's a little unusual, since companies no longer do anything to foster such loyalty and there's more competition now, but you never know where the bottom rung can take you. If you have the abilities you say you do, I have got to believe that employers will also see that, and will promote you as positions become available.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 19, 2006 at 8:02 AM
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Actually Kooka I live in both places for the most part.
I had been in Louisiana to help out on our small farm. Now, I spend more time in Texas because of my job with an engineering company and also because I write for a magazine based in San Antonio. It's wide open in Louisiana. There are more jobs than one might think other than in construction. San Antonio is busting at the seams. It's amazing how many new subdivisions and businesses are being constructed. There is not end in sight. The pay here is not the best in general, but then housing costs are pretty low.
There is just a lot of consolidation in all areas of our economy. My company is owned by some good solid family oriented people who could sell the business to a large national concern and probably be set for money for life. They refuse to do so, but it could happen. I have a Plan A, B, and C for sure. Retail and communications sectors are just brutal. People buy someone else and get rid of jobs that overlap and such. That has even happend to me in the engineering and surveying field on several occasions.
I don't know your financial situation, but if you can hold out for the best job you can get that would be great. Sometimes, for a short time, we might have to step back a little. The thing with people like yourself who is eduated and very qualified to do a job is that most of the newer people are pretty clueless about things. They can be hired for lower pay and that's all a company looks at for the most part. You have done you homework and such over the years and now you are being slammed for it in a lot of cases. The only other thing you can do is try to get a much better job and then you might not be qualified; all these former points you have made in your blogs and comments before.
I just want to see everyone have a great job and career. I know it will happen for you. We slam each other about politcal views and other things on here, but basically I am pulling for everyone to have a great life and do well. I do count you as a friend and adversary but that is not a bad thing. Good luck in your job search and I hope things go well for you.
posted by
sarooster
on March 19, 2006 at 3:49 AM
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sarooster
I am a very positive person and I know for a fact that all will work out in the end, since my life always seems to work out for the best. Mostly this is because I work very hard at making sure it does so.
All the advice I got from Janes and Billy was the 'no shit' kind of thing. I would be an idiot if I had not already figured all that out. Trust me, I know how to look for a job and I know how to act in interviews. Janes seem to have the view that I walk around with my nose up at everyone, which is very much far for the truth. I have talked with the potential employers after they have told me I did not get the job. Generally they like me as a person but I was not the most qualified for the job, which is saying a lot because for the level of job I am going for I should be at the upper end of the experience area, but of course with the big name retail going under every where you turn, you get a lot of people with more experience who had better jobs looking for anything they can find.
I though you lived in Texas, since you said ‘San Antonio’ in your comment and I thought of Texas. I apologize for the mistake and for assuming you were a Texan. Hence the follow up comment joking about how I would never desire to move to Texas. So if San Antonio was hit so hard by the storms how would it be a good place to look for a job? I would think that the job market would be a little messed up down there, unless one were in the construction field. My expeiance is in retial and television, niether of which I could see as being something useful there.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 18, 2006 at 6:32 PM
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Kooka,
I know it's stressful to lose a job. But Jane's has some good points. We all need to stay positive and not give prospective employers any reason to look upon us unfavorably. I think she might be off base by suggesting your attitude may be causing problems. That is only for you to determine when you look for employment.
Billy_Cargo says it pretty well also. You have to be selective enough to pick out a great job; one that is challenging and rewarding.
Sometimes when it looks the darkest the sun pops out and makes it brighter. I am sure that will happen for you.
The comment you made back to me about not seeing all the stuff going on around me is way off base. My family lives in Louisiana. My family has been greatly affected by the storms. They have been willing to do what was necessary to pull through though. Even I left Louisiana to move to a place where it was better for my wife and I. Sometimes we have to bit the bullet.
posted by
sarooster
on March 18, 2006 at 6:09 PM
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Janes
No, I don't.
If you did not wish to start a fight then you should not have insulted both my intelligence and my judgment by suggestion that I would show such an attitude during a job interview.
My interviews have actually gone very well You see I only have that 'know it all' attitude you claim I have when dealing with those who show they lack knowledge or integrity or some other such quality.
Just the fact that you would make such an obviously attacking comment about my character just helps me to understand how petty a person you are.
Do not lie to me and say you do not wish to start a fight when you make a comment that is nothing but an attack on one’s character. My guess is I am much less a ‘know-it-all’ around people then you are. After all I am not the one going around trying to preach that I have all the answers nor do I make any kind of accusations without having the proof right there to back me.
You do love attacking me just for the fun of attacking me don't you?
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 18, 2006 at 2:10 PM
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Hmmmmmm,
Or perhaps potential employers have observed a certain attitude of yours, and are turned off?
"It really looks like I am going to have to start back on the bottom rung, where I am greatly over qualified for and work under people who do not know as much as I do. The lowest rung jobs are really all that are not being fought over by people over qualified for them. "
Come accross with that "know it all I'm better than you" attitude, then they WILL turn you down.
Just a thought, not wishing to start a fight.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on March 18, 2006 at 1:35 PM
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Billy
Trust me, my focus is far from being narrow right now.
I know my strengths and I know what jobs I am qualified for.
If you have to turn down offers then you are very lucky, because I know people with master degrees who are having a hard time right now.
You might just be in one of the areas that is not big enough to get hit by it just yet.
It really looks like I am going to have to start back on the bottom rung, where I am greatly over qualified for and work under people who do not know as much as I do. The lowest rung jobs are really all that are not being fought over by people over qualified for them.
Like I said this is from talking to employers who have not accepted me. The have said that I was more than qualified, but they got a lot of people overly qualified to choose from instead.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 18, 2006 at 7:56 AM
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kooka, the market is as good or as bad as you make it. I am turning down
head hunters who are offering good paying jobs right now b/c I'm being picky about what I want to do. Never confuse a narrow focus with few opportunities. An educated person willing to work in insurance or logistics or some other part of the supply chain really has no shortage of opportunites, but those aren't very interesting jobs in my opinion.
posted by
FreeManWalking
on March 17, 2006 at 10:28 PM
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sarooster
Also, it would be hard to find a job that would pay me enough to get me to move to Texas. I would have to be making at least $100,000 before I would be willing to put up with living in Texas.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 17, 2006 at 1:52 PM
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sarooster
If what you say is true then it is in the minority when compared to the rest of the country. I have talked to people in other states and those who travel and am very much aware that this is not just happening here in Colorado, but all around the country.
Just because you do not see it happening around you, does not mean where you live is the norm. Your comment shows the basic attitude so many conservative have and the attitude that is ruining this country. Just because it does not directly affect you here and now does not mean that it is not a problem. It is affecting a larger and larger percent of the population each and every year. If things keep going like they are, where you live will end up getting caught up in it all as well. You illusions are not going to hold up long when reality comes knocking.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 17, 2006 at 1:50 PM
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Kooka,
I know the job market differs vastly from one region to the next. So I guess you will have to keep on plugging away until you find a good paying job. If you were in San Antonio it would be easy to find a pretty nice job. Good luck on your job hunting.
posted by
sarooster
on March 17, 2006 at 11:02 AM
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