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posted by
Xeno-x
on March 7, 2006 at 7:19 AM
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actually i think i did post it somewhere
among my blogs.
the discerning person will search and click.
messiah is just hopeful pie in the sky -- has been ever since the Babylonian exile (at least).
like a lot of stuff -- there's a better world a comin' -- when the present isn't quite what you want.
posted by
Xeno-x
on March 6, 2006 at 3:16 PM
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Xeno-x - would you not rather post this comment as a blog?
I don't mind at all and actually look forward to the quality and depth of your comments but you have enough substance here for a post on this subject. I fully agree with the " . . . ain't gonna happen . . ." part. Nor do I feel it has ever happened. When one reads the history of the times surrounding the birth of the so called messiah, two things become evident. Jesus Christ got the saviour medal pinned on him and the ongoing eleboration upon his persona overshadowed all other wannabe messiahs. To the extent that his claim to the title of messiah was so huge and so well known, that all others need not apply. The "have no false Gods before me" line, came in handy as well but I am beginning to outline part 2 of this blog.
posted by
gomedome
on March 6, 2006 at 2:38 PM
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ok
messiah
Jews belief in such was strongest and took root after the Babylonian captivity -- and a Davidic type (i.e., ANOINTED warrior-king of the lineage of David who would "deliver" them from their oppression. Around Jesus' time, dozens, if not hundreds, of messiahs arose, led some revolts, got crucified.
Let's skip Jesus' sayings here -- he spoke often of the "son of man" -- looking at the Old Testament, the "son of man" either was a just plain human being or a prophet of some sort -- God called the prophet "son of man", which I would think was more of an epithet -- letting the prophet know he wasn't that special. I think Jesus was speaking more of human beings tha nhimself and that's why Caiphas the high priest tore his clothing and labeled it blasphemy that Jesus would say that the "son of man" would be coming in "clouds of glory", like god.
Paul spoke of Christ, the Messiah -- salvation through Christ. That is, not having guilt. You can see that message loud and clear in Paul's writings.
but
religion took all this and made it into something else. Jews were looking for the warrior-king to lead God's army (jews) to victory over their enemies. Jesus didn't fit that.
Christians look for the very same messiah, only they call it the "Second Coming", and much has been constructed around this.
seems religionists like to take about a half dozen words and passages and then construct voluminous imaginary scenarios around these (take Dante's Divine Comedy for example), sprinkling it with a dash of Greek and Roman mythology here and there (see my blog HELL!!).
odd -- Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. Paul said to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Christians wait for a messiah on a white horse to take them away from all this. ain't gonna happen -- that's not what Jesus or Paul or anyone in the Bible talked about.
posted by
Xeno-x
on March 6, 2006 at 2:20 PM
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sigh
That'll get me through the rest of the day - thanks for the giggle!
posted by
astromuffy
on March 6, 2006 at 1:49 PM
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elysiafields - you are reading something into my comment that isn't there
Maybe I should have used a few smileys to convey my sentiment =
posted by
gomedome
on March 6, 2006 at 1:38 PM
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geeze gomedome, lighten up!
What am I supposed to be contending exactly? I regret that our friendly discussion suddenly took an unpleasant turn...baby, where did our love go?
posted by
astromuffy
on March 6, 2006 at 1:21 PM
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elysiafields - okay I'm following now
You have constructed a contention based on doctrinal extrapulation with examples taken from mythology. Who is to say that such a premise has merit or not?
posted by
gomedome
on March 6, 2006 at 1:09 PM
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gomedome
I suppose what I'm suggesting, is that spirit and matter are one in the same. Although we can prove the existence of matter, spirit is speculative. Theologians speculate that spirit exists apart from matter, but I humbly propose that, perhaps even though spirit is matter, much like light is both a particle and a wave, that it somehow exists beyond matter as well, or at least beyond our comprehension of it.
From the firmament of matter, creation emerges - ostensibily from the intention, will, and application of spirit.
If we are to be like God, which the book of Genesis first forbids, but what Christ urges us to aspire to, we would gain sufficient understanding of matter, that would empower us to breathe life into our own creations.
Interesting that in Greek mythology, Persephone created the first man from the ashes of the slain Titans, but depended upon Zues to breathe life into those creations. I realize that this is a non-sequiter, but an interesting annecdote.
Well, Gomedome, I gave it a shot - hope it illuminates some of the confusion...
posted by
astromuffy
on March 6, 2006 at 12:20 PM
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elysiafields -- I read it earlier this morning if you are speaking of your
posting about "ones and zeros". I declined comment simply because as I stated, I don't get it. In a quick mental search for anything that could be used as an analogy or an example, I draw a blank.
posted by
gomedome
on March 6, 2006 at 11:04 AM
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G
My blog for the day, and my response to Sannhet's comment to that blog, makes an attempt to illustrate my whacky notion...give it a perusal, see if anything makes the remotest bit of sense to you...
posted by
astromuffy
on March 6, 2006 at 10:59 AM
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elysiafields -- yeah, I watch a lot of Star Trek reruns as well
Matter from spirit? I'm not quite following you on this premise. Nor can I think of one example that demonstrates this idea. Do you have any examples yourself?
posted by
gomedome
on March 6, 2006 at 10:49 AM
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just a crazy fantasy
i have this idea that the messiah will be able to demonstrate that matter can be created from spirit - which would fufill Jesus's promise that with the faith of a mustard seed, we could suprass his miracle making accumen.
i've been entertaining myself with this notion for three and a half years now. it hasn't gotton boring yet.
posted by
astromuffy
on March 6, 2006 at 10:27 AM
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