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Amen!
posted by
CrimsonCarouse
on February 11, 2006 at 10:28 AM
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CrimsonCarouse - thank you, in Ghandi we have as an accurate a historical
record as we have on any recent, great man. With Jesus Christ we really have nothing except some elaborate fairy tale. In following the development of the fairy tale and of how mankind constructed the myth of the messiah, then waited 15 centuries for it to manifest itself, we see the parrallel between the two men. It is likely that Jesus Christ did exist, it is also likely that he was an exceptional man with extra-ordinary cognative abilities but not unlike some of the exceptional members of our species that have come before and after his time. The truth of his life may be as simple as his being the sap they pinned the messiah medal on. .
posted by
gomedome
on February 11, 2006 at 9:51 AM
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JanesOpinion - in your attempt at a rebuttal you make a very valid point
I fully recognize that when I put acidic or inflamatory words to print, that someone somewhere, is being rubbed the wrong way. When doing so I try to measure the degree of acidity and not cross the barriers of bad taste. In other words; give em a clubbing over the head but don't hit them too hard. Unfortunately I can forget ever being shown even this level of consideration in return. Many people who are of strong faith cannot even comprehend that what they are saying and doing is offensive some times. They disparage those who do not believe as they do, routinely and with a sense of inherent right to do so. Dropping bible passages in my comments section in an attempt to counter my contentions is but a minor portion of this ongoing assault. That is why I likened it to a relatively harmless affront as having one's shoes puked on. It's has the same level of unpleasantness but ultimately no one is really harmed. By the same token however, I am not going to pretend that I like people using, what is to me, meaningless gibberish in their efforts to rebute.
posted by
gomedome
on February 11, 2006 at 9:42 AM
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excellent post gome
I like your analogy of Ghandi & Christ. Both were great men of their time but "Son of God", no I don't think so either.
posted by
CrimsonCarouse
on February 11, 2006 at 8:37 AM
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Funny, but I've wiped some puke off of my shoes too, recently.
I would venture to guess that it goes both ways -- this feeling of being puked on.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on February 11, 2006 at 6:46 AM
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MandaLee - yes there are some, rarer than 4 leaf clovers, but some
The instinctive reaction of most people is to attempt to change the perspective of those with whom they disagree. Others attempt to censure, while a few wingnuts attempt to manufacture villifications and character assassinations but yes there are a few who have the maturity to accept that not everyone in this world thinks the same way.
posted by
gomedome
on February 10, 2006 at 10:27 PM
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Bud-Oracle -- that's an intriguing possibility that I will have to think
further on. I feel I have a good grasp on why religious belief is so important to so many people today. This knowledge, which is derived from history, a study of mythology and a religious background unfortunately serves to fuel my prejudicial perspective. I simply find it hard to believe that so many people on this planet refuse to have anything interfere with what they want to be true. From Jesus dying for our sins, when he really only gave up a long weekend (if the ressurection is to be believed) to the nonsensical utterances of rapture and selective salvation. It all comprises a shroud of ignorance that too many people are still happy to envelope themselves in. Ultimately the why's can be boiled down to the shortcomings of the human animal.
posted by
gomedome
on February 10, 2006 at 10:23 PM
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tuffstuff -- I do find that rather comical if not amazing
And they pick things at random from both the old and the new testament. There is not one person on this planet living by the letter of the bible, yet many insist that they do. All the while ignoring prohibitions on certain types of food, cutting their hair and wearing make up, not to mention completely ignoring most of the moral tenets as described by ancient man. It is hypocrisy of the highest order, yet many people continue to use the little black book as a weapon of sorts and as a foundation for arguments that have no other relevancy. They do make me laugh however.
posted by
gomedome
on February 10, 2006 at 10:14 PM
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Gome, Some can disagree without trying to change beliefs.
posted by
Amanda__
on February 10, 2006 at 10:45 AM
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All religions opporate on the faith principal demanding adherents to shun
reason. This is what I've always been taught when attending catechism class, bible studies. You must believe.
Therefore now when these idiots are trumpeting their pseudo science to back up there bullshit, it strikes me that they are only a fraudulent bunch of opportunists. This of course is what they have always been about.
I would rather delve into deeper waters with you trying to go to the roots of the problem in the human psyche. Did our evolultion from our primate ancestors depend on this mental distancing into a special, spiritual, creature or are we spiritual which caused these mental convolutions?
Was it all about concentrating the power of many into a controllable herd or are we actually descendent from the interbreeding of gods with apes. (maybe space travelers) We don't resemble any other life form on this planet, why?
If people in huge numbers shun reason in favour of belief is this only an expression of a natural herding mechanism gone wild?
I for one would like to get away from focussing on semantics in a prejudiced way, only meant to assert our different beliefs and delve deeper into the why of it.
Want to leave your platform behind and do a few collaborative, hopefully enlightening, pieces along this vein.
The roots of belief systems, natural or divine? Genetic or learned?
posted by
Bud-Oracle
on February 10, 2006 at 10:02 AM
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Cherry-picking scriptures
Don't you find it amazing how Fundamental's can find a rational for everything by picking and choosing scriptures randomly and completely out of context? (see my last post in Hypocalypse Now). I sometimes wonder what would happen if a Muslim (or any other religious sect) stood up in a stadium with a verse from their Holy Book written on a poster with the intent to advertise salvation.
Tuff Stuff
posted by
tuffstuff
on February 10, 2006 at 10:00 AM
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