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Janes and Offbeats,
I call them like I see them and you are two fine and thoughtful bloggers. A thought occurred to me and I will share it with you and I guess everyone else. I don't know how long you two have followed the political scene, but not too long ago when the liberals, and they were mostly Democrats, were in power we (yes I was one of them) used to ridicule the conservatives for whining and groaning about things. Now that the shoe is on the other foot (and I have become a pretty solid conservative) the liberals are whining and groaning. I guess they never thought they would be voted out of power. That's just an observation I have made.
You two are great bloggers and have fought some terrific battles with some of the more liberal types of here. Keep up the good work.
posted by
sarooster
on February 11, 2006 at 12:20 PM
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Janes
Your very welcome my friend!!
posted by
Offy
on February 11, 2006 at 11:36 AM
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Why offbeats and sarooster, I doff my hat to both of you in thanks!
I come back to this post to see what comments have been left, and find unexpected accolades from two friends. Thanks guys, and I'm thinkin' similar thoughts of you both.
Hope you're having a lovely weekend (or, as my Scottish friend calls it, "a lovely wend").
posted by
JanesOpinion
on February 11, 2006 at 11:27 AM
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offbeats,
Janes usually has some pretty good views on things and this one was no different.
posted by
sarooster
on February 11, 2006 at 6:45 AM
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Janes,
You are exactly correct. No better way to say it.
posted by
sarooster
on February 11, 2006 at 6:44 AM
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sarooster
Janes Opinion says it all! She hit the nail right on the head as usual!!!
posted by
Offy
on February 10, 2006 at 8:40 PM
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Oh, gee, I like that -- see below comment from usual suspect --
who says that both sides were equally wrong -- the Dems for bashing the President and Admin on live TV during a funeral (for crying out loud!), and the Republicans for talking about it after the fact.
Hello, that's called freedom of speech. Duhhhhhhh! It's not cool to make such politicized and negative comments during a funeral, but it's an entirely different ball game to discuss these atrocious speeches after the fact. Like I said, that's called freedom of speech.
For that matter, if the Dems had not been so uncivilized and stupid in their speeches, the Republicans would have little to rant about following the event. Or, in other words, if they had shown a little class and dignity during this solemn occasion, the whole response from the opposite side would have been one of respect and even approval.
Gee wizzz.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on February 10, 2006 at 8:33 PM
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Mountain,
I am with you all the way on this. Now, don't get me wrong. If a guy was a politican for a good part of his life I can understand a little bit of stump speeching. Many people have said Mrs. King would have enjoyed or at least condoned this type of speaking at her funeral, but no one has come up with any proof that is what she wanted.
posted by
sarooster
on February 10, 2006 at 7:32 PM
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Sarooster, nothing like what they did is appropriate at a funeral.
posted by
MountainClimber57
on February 10, 2006 at 7:30 PM
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Dailykos
doesn't even pretend to be unbiased. They have a liberal viewpoint. (Whereas Fox claims to be "fair and balanced). But in this case at least, they are at least factually correct! (They actually provide the video & transcripts).
No political comments at funerals? Have you read President Bush's "eulogy" for President Reagan? I don't want to fall into the "he hit me first" cliche, but where is everyone's outrage about the politicizing of that funeral?
And yes, Kerry got his statistics wrong. When you absorb as much data as he probably does, numbers get stuck in your head. I believe I mentioned that he had, at the very least, inverted the statistics. I admitted that. But can we go back to things like, oh I don't know, Colin Powel's address to the UN? Where he enumerated how many pounds, ounces, vials & containers of Anthrax, Sarin, etc., etc. Saddam Hussein had? What have we found, maybe one mobile truck that may be used to mix the stuff?
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 10, 2006 at 11:02 AM
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I don't think honesty can be mentioned when dealing with the
Clintons and maybe Rev. Lowery and former President Carter. They used a funeral to make political speeches and in my view that is totally wrong.
I don't think dailykos is any better than Fox at reporting the news. Besides, Rev. Lowery got thunderous applause for half a minute for what; a speech filled with hate and indignation.
Also, your comment several days about Kerry and his mentioning the high school in Van Nuys, California was way off base. He made the comment on national TV and he meant the whole country not a single high school in California. I can see the LA Times making that assertation about a local school. Kerry did not say what your comment claimed.
posted by
sarooster
on February 10, 2006 at 10:49 AM
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Making political hay...
DailyKos.com reports that after Rev. Lowery's remarks about "weapons of mass deception" there was a thunderous 29 seconds of applause, followed by a standing ovation.
However, when Fox News reported on it,
they edited it down to 9 seconds AND THEN COMMENTED ON THE LACK OF APPLAUSE!!! How wonderfully Orwellian of them; edit the response, then comment (spin) on the response. To make a political point. Say what you will about the comments (the people there, including friends & family, haven't complained) but at least their words were
honest!
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 10, 2006 at 10:01 AM
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Excellent Post
Those who spoke on topics unrelated to the purpose are ill mannered, in my opinion, and self centered. Personally, I could not and would not sit in a funeral that long, regardless of where seated. I would have been counted among the ill mannered because I would have left after an hour and a half. That is about the maximum for me. Well said!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on February 10, 2006 at 5:07 AM
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Good post, K.
I sincerely believe that this is just another attempt to stifle dissent. Now, it's about "decorum" and "appropriateness". Cindy Shehan shouldn't protest at the SOTU, Harry Belafonte shouldn't comment when overseas. Face it, if the comments aren't pre-cleared by the white house, spoken by bought-and-paid for pundits (like Armstrong Williams), planted in fake "video news releases" or questions by a plant in the press corps (Scott McGuckin, the male prostitute). Unless they can control the message, they don't want to hear any dissent.
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 9, 2006 at 10:06 PM
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You have a valid point
But is it in any better of taste to go and use the same event to go after after the Democrats who spoke there?
When the right comes out and starts to say, well basically what you said here in your post, you are doing just what Carter and Lowery and Clinton. Just because it is not live at the funeral itself, it is still the same thing. It is all just a political game. Although considering Lowery's history with the King family, he might actually be speaking what he felt Coretta Scott King would have wanted said, so for me he as the most likely to be showing her respect with what he had said. From the sounds of things she might have actually been a been very much against Bush and might have found it very insulting just to have either Bush speak at her service.
When you use the aftermath of the event for a political game it is no difference than disrespecting the event itself. You are really showing just as much bad taste when you write such a post as this one. You could have just said 'I think the speakers at the funeral who used it for their political purpose were being rude to the memory of Coretta Scott King' and left it at that. But you have now equally shown disrespect.
It is a case where both sides are in the wrong. Some of the stuff that was said was inappropriate for the service but the response to it has been equally inappropriate and it all over shadows the actual accomplishments this woman worked hard her whole life for.
So why can't both sides show respect and drop the issue completely and move on, unless it is actual respectful talk about Coretta Scott King's life.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 9, 2006 at 8:44 PM
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There is a lot can happen in a short time to change political
opinion, but barring unforseen circumstances the Democrats and the left will not gain control anytime soon.
posted by
sarooster
on February 9, 2006 at 8:01 PM
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sarooster
This should not be shock to you, but they won't be back in the 08 either!! They implode on themselves ( that's why I have to keep them in the garage).
posted by
Offy
on February 9, 2006 at 8:00 PM
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offbeats,
Of course the left will disagree, but there is one thing they have to admit. They are out of power and it happened for a reason.
posted by
sarooster
on February 9, 2006 at 7:57 PM
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sarooster
Your last comment says it all!!!
posted by
Offy
on February 9, 2006 at 7:51 PM
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Yes, king, I think you are correct.
The left has gone pretty much nuts because they are not in power and can't seem to wrest control back from the right.
posted by
sarooster
on February 9, 2006 at 7:44 PM
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saroo, their ire at 2000 and 2004 is self-defeating for them & unbecoming..
posted by
kingmi
on February 9, 2006 at 7:36 PM
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I guess I just have that "touch" justsouno!!
I really don't have an answer for that. I try to keep the mudslinging down to a minimum. I have also invited some of the bloggers to read my journal blog. I think once they have done that they see I am a regular guy with much the same type of life as they have. It cuts down on the rhetoric in my case. And mabye I am not as widely read as you. People are strange though.
posted by
sarooster
on February 9, 2006 at 7:04 PM
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Sarooster such a good post. How do you manage not to be covered up
with all the rude, ugly name calling people I have scratching my posts apart right now. You are telling the turth and saying all the words they are yelling at me for and I didn't. They are strange. Keep it up!!!!
posted by
Justi
on February 9, 2006 at 6:55 PM
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