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Fact checking
Why would you even want to check and see if BF was a woman? Why not just debate her comments on thir own merit? BTW, how do you know that she's a woman? Have you met him/her? Done a chromosome test like they do in the olympics? Checked genitalia? Maybe "she" was born a man, but felt she was a woman trapped in a man's body! See how slippery "facts" are? You ASSUME she's a woman because her "about me" page says she's a woman. Facts that are easy to check are also easy to fake.
But my main point is...HER GENDER DOESN'T MATTER!!! I didn't check it because it's not relevant! Nor is her skin color, appearance, sexual preference or religious beliefs. Your feigned concern about my accuracy over an irrelevent point is justg a smokescreen. PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!! How did Sen. Kennedy "smear" Judge Alito? For God's sake, I asked for one example, explained that the right considers any questions about records & actions a "smear", and asked for it in all-caps with about 10 exclamation points.
I, too, am forced to rely on cliche (from my high school days) "A fact does not cease to exist simply because you choose to ignore it."
Less focus on which bathroom blogflogger uses, and more focus on ISSUES. BTW, I said Judge A was "slick" by the way he answered (or didn't) questions at confirmation. We don't know if this decision was canny or not, conscience-driven or not. It's just one case!
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 3, 2006 at 3:16 PM
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Professor,
My point was that blog is a woman has nothing to do with her thoughts and ideas. I was saying it was easy enough to check facts and see she was a woman. My point being that if you did not check that out maybe some other things were not checked out. Also, if you read my post I called Cindy Sheehan, Miss Sheehan, on all occasions in the post except at the beginning where I did not think it was called for. I never mentioned Young's name, only her husband's. I mention people who are in the news a lot of times by only one name. I probably tend to call President Bush, just Bush at time as well as Hillary and a few others. I don't always use full names in a post or comment as I would if I were writing an article. Also, at times if a person does not deserve the respect I think they deserve I may leave their name in small letters or such. It's just done to be bad and poke some fun.
posted by
sarooster
on February 3, 2006 at 2:53 PM
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no spin zone
Sarooster, I do my research on the relevant issues. I didn't check to see if blogflogger was a woman, man, liberal, conservative, American citizen or Australian dingo because THOSE THINGS DON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE!!! In fact, you helped prove my point, that righties dismiss women's opinions (remember my comment that it was Mrs. Young, but simply Cindy or Shehan? Or that the Senator from NY is referred to as Hillary? That's why Republicans will NEVER nominate Dr. Rice.
Oh, and you resorted to cliche again. Accusing me of mistaking "opinion" for fact. I know enough from reading your past blogs that this is one of your tactics, but please, which opinion was stated as fact? I gave specific, documented examples of VP Cheney cursing a US Senator, I quoted you back to you, and gave another specific example, before and above. Yes, I draw conclusions based on examples, but that's how the brain works.
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 3, 2006 at 2:17 PM
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Xeno-x
If that's addressed to me......
Just when I thought you could never be more wrong........
You surprise me....
you Leftists like to apply your own personal outlook of things on others.....when our views are opposite of yours....you like to belittle the messenger instead of the message. We get smacked with condescending, little remarks to infer that we are "less-read", "less-worldly", "corn-fed", nincompoops....that should merely be tolerated, but not accepted.....
Yet, we are the same people that would defend your right to do all these things....to say as much drivel as you like......and as long as you have that attitude.....we will always have the upper hand....because that's the way most Americans are, too.
Commenting on what you say is not a form of suppressing your right to say it.....and contrary to what you appear to think.......disagreeing with it, isn't either......not by a long shot.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 3, 2006 at 6:20 AM
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Cindy sheehan didn't break any laws.
here's the story
Police Apologize, Drop Charge Vs. Sheehan
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 3, 2006 at 6:14 AM
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looks like you would rather everybody be quiet who opposes your point of vi
you know what they call that don;t you?
a dictatorship.
your state of mind, like that of our Administration, is unfitting a democratic form of government.
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 3, 2006 at 6:07 AM
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Corbin_Dallas - Such sage advice. Ignore me? Why? Do facts bother you
Not at all...but posting hundreds of links to material, when it is obvious you haven't even taken the time to browse through it, let alone actually read it , is hardly a presentation of FACTS. It's a posting of a bibliography....nothing more.
I try to ignore you...not because of anything personal...but because your statements are boring, nothing more. You may feel the same way about mine....but I'm not losing any sleep over that, either.
Hell will freeze over before you and I could agree on something...so I see no merit in, as I said to Offbeats, wasting my keystrokes on your so called "Facts". And again this is nothing personal....now go ahead...attack away!
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 3, 2006 at 6:02 AM
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blog,
Sying the Professor did not know you were a woman means he was not doing his homework. It is information that is easy to find. He is doing as many people do; stating opinion as fact. If you have a glaring mistake in your writing it makes the rest of your words suspect.
posted by
sarooster
on February 3, 2006 at 2:01 AM
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Offbeats – Maybe I’m a bit slow…You’re saying the opinions of non-Americans
... can’t carry any weight? Further, you’re implying that if Australia has political problems the Professor’s opinions should be discredited? Actually, after re-reading your comment, I can’t seem to find a point. Did you have one? (other than cheerleading)
posted by
blogflogger
on February 2, 2006 at 10:41 PM
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Fledling writers
Sorry blogflogger. Didn't mean to "neuter" you. But that was an "editorial he". UNLIKE SOME ON THE RIGHT, I DON'T VALUE OR DEVALUE SOMEONE'S OPINION BASED ON GENDER! By the way, my point, and I do have one, is how some conservatives dismiss female opinions. Remember, my actual comment was it was "Mrs. Young this & Mrs. Young that" but it was Cindy (sometimes they do the same thing with Sen. Clinton, referring to her as "Hillary")
I think the greatest work of fiction (maybe SCIENCE fiction!) this year is Dick Morris's book on (I think the title) Hillary v. Condie. If the Republican party wants to lose, and lose BIG, I dare them to run Sec. Rice for President!!! All those "NASCAR" dads will flee quicker that, well, a NAS-car! I think they misunderestimate the depths of racism in the red states.
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 2, 2006 at 9:22 PM
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Sararooster
I don't think bloggfeller being a woman has anything to do with it anymore than the Professor is an American living in Australia, or an Australian citizen. If that is the case, I think he might want to take a look at their politics and ask what opinions he has on his country. I find it odd that people who live outside the US and are not citizens do tend to judge and I wonder what that agenda might be other than their own.. Either way... Rooster...don't let it get your down my friend!!
posted by
Offy
on February 2, 2006 at 9:20 PM
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sarooster - Since Prof Peabody didn’t know I was female this means
... all his comments must also be suspect? Very poor logical leap at best. -- I don’t think the sex of any writer / author should be pertinent unless the topic itself suggests the sex of the author is an issue. -- In your effort to refute the opinions of others, perhaps you need to focus on the validity of the opinion, and not stray into a tedious criticism which doesn’t apply to the issue at hand.
posted by
blogflogger
on February 2, 2006 at 8:30 PM
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I was impressed by Professor Peabody and his assertation that the liberals
were doing so well in their comments to my post. He kind lost me when he thought blogflogger was a guy! Maybe some of the other stuff in his comments were inaccurate also.
posted by
sarooster
on February 2, 2006 at 4:49 PM
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What's Worse?
A president who exploits the life of a young man in support of his personal crusade or the mother of that same man who exploits his death in support of her personal crusade?
It's an age-old question.
DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on February 2, 2006 at 12:08 PM
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Professor_Peabody - Yowzah! Kicking some serious bootay guy! Way to go!
I like you already! A bunch. Someone who sees the value of facts versus blatant party mantra, or conservative unbased venom. Thanks for the backing. I always do my research, and I use credible sources, no left- or right-winged rant sites. When I find I've gotten my facts wrong, I always post a correction. Stay with us here. Our country needs all the sane voices it can get. (BTW, I'm a girl.)
posted by
blogflogger
on February 2, 2006 at 12:01 PM
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Corbin_Dallas - Such sage advice. Ignore me? Why? Do facts bother you
conservatives when you have an agenda going? "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." What an enlightened approach to discussing the state of our nation.
posted by
blogflogger
on February 2, 2006 at 11:54 AM
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Civility? In Congress?
I am so bemused by Offbeats & Corbin talking about "decorum" and civility (both in Congress and here). Like when Vice President Cheney told a US Senator to go F*** himself on the Senate floor!!! Or Offbeats telling Blogflogger that he's not rude immediately after scolding him and telling him to "do his homework on the law!" Or continuing to deny or ignore blogflogger when he quotes the actual news story about an apology you said didn't happen!"
Or have you noticed the subtle slights that maybe even they are unconscious of; the Congressman's wife is "MS something-or-other" but the dead soldier's mom is just "Shehan". This is just the first blog I've read tonight, but already she has been called "insane" (nice long-distance diagnosis, Dr. Frist) and that she was being "used" by lefties, as if she doesn't have a mind of her own.
Nice little trick, conveniently ignoring those you don't agree with. "Don't waste keystrokes with blogflogger". Is it that you won't debate & discuss, or is it that you can't? Blogflogger named his sources, printed them verbatim without ellipses. Your response? Derision. Answer his comments, or don't call yourself a blooger. You're just a parrot.
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 2, 2006 at 3:48 AM
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Thanks Prof!
Words of encouragement are always welcome. They make me feel great. I work in a technical job and I am trying to bust out into some more creative work. I do want to be a writer and I can see that happening as time goes on. I have been submitting letters and such to our local newspaper. They will print something I have written one of these days. I also have a novel manuscript finished and another that is almost complete. I will shop those around when I finish my second manuscript. Thanks again for the read, comment, and encouragement.
posted by
sarooster
on February 2, 2006 at 3:33 AM
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You write well.
Dear Sarooster.. You write well. Your blog is well aligned and seems to be professional. I guess you could also try to submit a few to your local papers. It takes time and perseverance to have one piece of article. Just try think that Harry Potter by JK Rowling was rejected 48 times before one publisher took a gamble.
I like your blog, but you know our politics here is as dry as our Simpson desert. ha ha ha. One reason is the Prime Minister here in Australia can be sacked (this is true) by the Queen of England..
It is getting late here 10:00PM / 02Feb.06 and have to go to work tomorrow. I will get back in your other blogs maybe tomorrow evening. regards...Prof.
posted by
PROF-SUMAKEL33
on February 2, 2006 at 3:02 AM
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CNN - Gainer apologizes
On Wednesday afternoon, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said neither woman should have been removed from the chamber. "We made a mistake," he told CNN. He said an
apology was made to Bill and Beverly Young, and the congressman has been told that Capitol officers will receive better training. He said they are operating under outdated guidance on House rules regarding demonstrations. Gainer said he has attempted to reach Sheehan to tell her he is recommending that charges be dropped and to express his willingness to talk to her at her convenience, but has only been able to leave her a message.
posted by
blogflogger
on February 1, 2006 at 8:55 PM
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CORBIN
I hear that!! Some are just not worth the stroke, and Lord knows I am already lacking one tonight! The new one should be delivered tomorrow ( keyboard)... Thanks!!
posted by
Offy
on February 1, 2006 at 8:54 PM
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MSNBC report on Chief Gainer's apology
WASHINGTON - Capitol Police dropped a charge of unlawful conduct against antiwar activist Cindy Sheehan on Wednesday and apologized for ejecting her and a congressman’s wife from President Bush’s State of the Union address for wearing T-shirts with war messages.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11120353/
posted by
blogflogger
on February 1, 2006 at 8:52 PM
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Offbeats
Your wasting your keystrokes trying to reason with this one......I find ignoring is the best course of action.
These people have no respect for tradition or decorum, or civility.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 1, 2006 at 8:48 PM
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I am not rude, and I will not engage in a verbal combat about this. There are rules...there are laws... and there is a dress code, so deal with it dude! BTW... odd I haven't heard anyone apologize...
posted by
Offy
on February 1, 2006 at 8:41 PM
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OFFBEATS - You're wrong as well as rude.
CNN - On Wednesday afternoon, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said neither woman should have been removed from the chamber. "We made a mistake," he told CNN. 2/1/2006
Capitol Police Chief Terrance W. Gainer - "It was," he said, "a good-faith mistake by officers operating under poor direction. We've asked the U.S. attorney's office to drop the charge against Sheehan," Gainer said later. "Our interactions both with her and Beverly Young were inappropriate." He said he will clarify rules about disruption to remind officers that "simply having a T-shirt on" does not constitute lawbreaking. Washington Post - 2/1/2006
Would you like me to pull some additional sources? They're all the same. - I should find out what I'm talking about? How about you read the news? There were no laws broken and the Capitol Police Chief has apologized to everyone.
I you care about people reading and commenting on your posts perhaps you should check your facts first, and even then, being rude and condescending is a poor approach to healthy discussion.
posted by
blogflogger
on February 1, 2006 at 8:36 PM
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sarooster/blog
Are you surprised? They took a pounding on this today. This is why they have no party !
I do believe there are indeed laws regarding what you can and can not do in the Capitol despite what blogfeller says. Cindy was taken away by the Capitol police, therefore why would have police, if there was no law blogfeller.??????..ya might want to do your homework on the law!
posted by
Offy
on February 1, 2006 at 8:07 PM
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I don't normally comment on this stuff, but today is a different day....
First off, I don't care for Ms. Sheehan, let me get that out of the way. I think she is being used by anti-Bush groups. But, she has every right to say what she has been saying and to wear whatever she wants.
Secondly, you have no idea how she feels about her son, she may be very angry at him for joining, she may have begged him not to, you shouldn't speak of things that you don't have knowledge of.
Angela
posted by
anglofinspirtion
on February 1, 2006 at 8:06 PM
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Lack of decorum or poor taste does not justify an arrest. In previous ....
.... years there have always people heading for gallery seats wearing t-shirts. They have simply been instructed to remove them or close their jackets. - You're focusing on the wrong problem: why such extreme measures now?
posted by
blogflogger
on February 1, 2006 at 8:00 PM
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Thanks justsouno,
These women did not use good judgement for this occasion. This is a night for the President to give us the low down on the state of our union. This is not a time to protest or divide. Ms. Young had the right idea, but picked the wrong time to show her patriotism. Sheehan is just.......well, Sheehan!!
posted by
sarooster
on February 1, 2006 at 7:00 PM
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Sarooster, this is such a well done post. I do appreciate what you have
said. One of the major problems in our country is the lack of decorum. Rude, ugliness is so wide spread that it is painful.
posted by
Justi
on February 1, 2006 at 6:49 PM
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